Successor to Quel'Serrar in Naxx

[Elydian]

I'd had my eyes open for one for a while, with no avail, then finally:

Widow's Remorse
Sword
Speed 1.60

Binds when picked up
Unique
One Hand
70-131 Damage
(62.8 DPS)
100 Armor
+17 Stamina
Equip: Improves your chance to hit by 1%

http://wowwalkthroughs.free.fr/Widows%20Remorse.html

No defense, but indeed a very good competitor for best tanking weapon in game.

[Hallian]

I'm not a Warrior, but the speed and stamina are very nice indeed. If I remember correctly 50 Defense equals 1% dodge, 1% parry and 1% block, you should be able to calculate what sword is better for endurance compared to Bloodlord's defender. Quel'Serrar might be a bit tricky as you have to guess on the proc chance of the defense and armor. Question though, does the 1% hit also work for Revenge, Sunder and Heroic Strike?

[Elydian]

1% hit is for everything. Blizzard finally realized just how important and desirable it is for tanks.

As you say QS has never been great because of a dependancy on a proc. This sword just cut it out completely and concentrated on good solid stats that we can use. I like it.

[Zuujuuju]

As a bonus it also looks very cool :D

[Hallian]

1% hit is for everything. Blizzard finally realized just how important and desirable it is for tanks.

As you say QS has never been great because of a dependancy on a proc. This sword just cut it out completely and concentrated on good solid stats that we can use. I like it.
Sounds good. :)

Now where does it drop? Some kind of impossible boss Blizzard doesn't want us to kill untill they say (nerf) so?

[Elydian]

Grand Widow Faerlina in Naxx.

Edit: Boss 2 in the Spider Wing.

[Lyara]

Nice fast wep speed too for quick aggro gen at the start.

-Lyara

[Mandos]

Just as long as you don't feel too emotionally linked to your QS to abandon it for something else :P

[Elydian]

Oh it will always be in the bank for me to snuggle up to.

[Zuujuuju]

The big question is... will you have to spend as long in Naxx to get it as you did in Dire Maul ;)

[Wizzy]

The big question is... will you have to spend as long in Naxx to get it as you did in Dire Maul ;)

No Wai! :tongue:

[Elydian]

Probably not, thank god. It also means not everyone and his grandmother will have access to it, like what happened with Quel'Serrar, and dare I say it, Thunderfury, of late.

[Aries]

Another point about Quel'Serar, it looks ugly.

I mean, what's with the greenness all around? >.<

[MaxHavelaar]

Atm Im testing Sickle of Unyielding Strength atm

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=52544

And tbh, I find it in total better or atleast equal to Quel`.

All stats nice for tanking, lose alittle stamina, but u get a constant defense instead, and also give some extra strenght and agility. Imo the speed aint that much to worry about, only .1 more. And as far as for losing the proc... well I dont really mind, stuff never proc when I want/need anyway ;)

Only downside is that I lose some weaponskill (im human), tho this in total wont make me prefer QS over my strange axe

[McDark]

Nice fast wep speed too for quick aggro gen at the start.

-Lyara
My Deathbringer is better at that. :P

[Splinter]

Probably not, thank god. It also means not everyone and his grandmother will have access to it, like what happened with Quel'Serrar, and dare I say it, Thunderfury, of late.

You need to have killed atleast Razorgore and really Firemaw before you can start making Thunderfurys (or it's gonna take a long time and a lot of Elementium Buying)


On another note, what about this weapon as a successor to Quel?

http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=21268

Sure it's got +AP for druids, but ignore that and look at the other stats, beats Quel imo :P

[Elydian]

There were a number of people who hadn't seen Razergore die before getting Thunderfury. I blame it on the bindings dropping in the wrong instance. Needless to say, guilds who are far past farming MC have to run it just for a chance on them.

And yeh, I've noticed that mace before, and imo it's slightly better than QS despite its druid leanings.

[Luminis]

Quite some people who got the bindings just got given the Elementium ores by other guilds, so ye, you can still be whiping on Shazzrah and already own a TF, which is wrong imo.
Atm im waiting if or when blizzard finally makes a good tanking enchant for weapons, i mean, they got strength, agility, intellect, spirit already on weapons, but no stamina or anything :(

Hmm McDark, 2.9 speed, nice quick aggro ye ;) not ^_^

[McDark]

Hmm McDark, 2.9 speed, nice quick aggro ye ;) not ^_^
My first hit does more threat than a faster weapon, after which it's identical to a weapon of the same DPS. ;) Speed is overrated. :roll:

[Radendi]

My first hit does more threat than a faster weapon, after which it's identical to a weapon of the same DPS. ;) Speed is overrated. :roll:

You are completely not understanding the point of using a fast weapon liek.

With a slow weapon (2.9s), if you miss the first swing, you are gonna have to wait 2.9 seconds for the next swing, in which time perhaps a mage has drawn aggro, which equals wipe. This is less of a problem with fast weapons, as the next swing is much sooner. Also, you can more quickly use all the rage you generate with heroic strike O.o

And please dont tell me you tank with a deathbringer :s

[Hildaa]

I'd had my eyes open for one for a while, with no avail, then finally:

Widow's Remorse
Sword
Speed 1.60

Binds when picked up
Unique
One Hand
70-131 Damage
(62.8 DPS)
100 Armor
+17 Stamina
Equip: Improves your chance to hit by 1%

http://wowwalkthroughs.free.fr/Widows%20Remorse.html

No defense, but indeed a very good competitor for best tanking weapon in game.

Check out Insatiable Blade. I'd prefer that one over this, mainly due to the increased threat. Less mitigation, and less stamina, but hell... Who cares about 100 health anyway?

[Radendi]

Check out Insatiable Blade. I'd prefer that one over this, mainly due to the increased threat. Less mitigation, and less stamina, but hell... Who cares about 100 health anyway?

shush, hp roxor

[Hildaa]

shush, hp roxor

Stfu druid.


Quite some people who got the bindings just got given the Elementium ores by other guilds, so ye, you can still be whiping on Shazzrah and already own a TF, which is wrong imo.
Atm im waiting if or when blizzard finally makes a good tanking enchant for weapons, i mean, they got strength, agility, intellect, spirit already on weapons, but no stamina or anything :(

Hmm McDark, 2.9 speed, nice quick aggro ye ;) not ^_^

That's it. Agility. .75% dodge, .75% to crit (slightly more threat, slightly more damage, slightly more rage over time), and I don't remember the numbers for Agility = Armor, but hey, some of that too however insignificant a value. +15 agility is the shit to be going for.

[Radendi]

That's it. Agility. .75% dodge, .75% to crit (slightly more threat, slightly more damage, slightly more rage over time), and I don't remember the numbers for Agility = Armor, but hey, some of that too however insignificant a value. +15 agility is the shit to be going for.

Zomg you got one right :shock: And its 2 armor for 1 agi, nub

[Aries]

Being not a 'professional' tank (as in damage whore) i would swap Brutality Blade for Deathbringer when I needed to tank occasionally, but went for Eskhandar's Right Claw not long ago purely because it's supposedly quite nice for tanking (at least so say my tanks, and they know what they're doing) and because it was too damn cheap :D

But that only concerns those who do some tanking once in a while.

[McDark]

You are completely not understanding the point of using a fast weapon liek.

With a slow weapon (2.9s), if you miss the first swing, you are gonna have to wait 2.9 seconds for the next swing, in which time perhaps a mage has drawn aggro, which equals wipe. This is less of a problem with fast weapons, as the next swing is much sooner. Also, you can more quickly use all the rage you generate with heroic strike O.o

And please dont tell me you tank with a deathbringer :s
I understand why fast weapons are used - I'm simply pointing out why a Deathbringer is better for initial aggro. ;) The first swing is irrelevant - the raid mob is either hitting you or it isn't. The first Sunder is what will hold aggro, not your gimped tank white damage.

Also, mages who shoot before Sunders deserve death, amongst other things.

I tank more things with my Deathbringer than I do my Broodlord's :D

[Elydian]

Check out Insatiable Blade. I'd prefer that one over this, mainly due to the increased threat. Less mitigation, and less stamina, but hell... Who cares about 100 health anyway?

I'd been hovering over it, I must admit. But I think 17 stamina is a lot to throw away for the sake of 1% crit and 26 AP. More threat idd, but not really that much more.

[Mandos]

You are completely not understanding the point of using a fast weapon liek.

With a slow weapon (2.9s), perhaps a mage has drawn aggro, which equals wipe.


I thought it just equalled dead mage.

[Radendi]

I thought it just equalled dead mage.

sure, in MC

[Radendi]

I understand why fast weapons are used - I'm simply pointing out why a Deathbringer is better for initial aggro. ;) The first swing is irrelevant - the raid mob is either hitting you or it isn't. The first Sunder is what will hold aggro, not your gimped tank white damage.

Also, mages who shoot before Sunders deserve death, amongst other things.

I tank more things with my Deathbringer than I do my Broodlord's :D


yada yada yada, I know that speed hardly makes a difference, I was just explaining what changes. Tanking with deathbringer instead of BLD is just stupid. Don't do it.

[Mandos]

Surely in most situations the mage will be notified on aggro gain by CTRA and will have a chance to run toward the mob and the MT before the rest of the raid get AoE in their face?

[Talya]

not if the boss turns around and shadowflames the whole raid, or does a flamebreath

[Radendi]

not if the boss turns around and shadowflames the whole raid, or does a flamebreath

which always seems to happen at the wrong times ;)

[Talya]

Exactly =P

[Mandos]

Excluding that <.<

[stroodle]

who cares about tanking weapons, you could do it with a mining pick


this sword is pure pvp fury, offhand weapon..... i know where im saving my dkp for.. (only 4 years to go before im in the positive again)

:p


edit: but yes, sexxay tank sword indeed :p

[Hildaa]

edit: but yes, sexxay tank sword indeed :p

TUB is a secks tank sword. :p

[Kutz]

who cares about tanking weapons, you could do it with a mining pick
Funny you mention that.. :smile: Me and some matiees had a discussion about just that, the Mining Pick (http://thottbot.com/?i=59) beeing the ultimate tanking weapon for any tank with enough awesomeness. Only problem would be that it's not a melee weapon and therefor couldn't be used to perform any tanking doodoo's (http://thottbot.com/?sp=25286) at all.

[Kutz]

TUB is a secks tank sword. :p
Woot Hildoh!? Tub Girl at last ^^

[Eulanna]

The big question is... will you have to spend as long in Naxx to get it as you did in Dire Maul ;)
This is WoW. Why ask the obvious? :P

[Hildaa]

This is WoW. Why ask the obvious? :P

Don't destroy his hope needlessly plx. :p

[stroodle]

El will prolly find out the sword is crafted from two pieces, one off which drops from C'thun. ftw. :p


/gloat ^.^

[Hildaa]

El will prolly find out the sword is crafted from two pieces, one off which drops from C'thun. ftw. :p


/gloat ^.^

Yea, ok. :p

He'll probably need 200 arcanite bars as well, 200 blood of the mountain, 200 DI bars(all needed to create 200 of the new crafting stuff from Naxx) -- And on top of that, the C'thun drop will only drop if you can complete the whole of AQ in 3,5 hours.

gl hf. :p

[Elydian]

El will prolly find out the sword is crafted from two pieces, one off which drops from C'thun. ftw. :p


/gloat ^.^

Shsh you. (and random shit to make 10 chars)

[Elydian]

Yea, ok. :p

He'll probably need 200 arcanite bars as well, 200 blood of the mountain, 200 DI bars(all needed to create 200 of the new crafting stuff from Naxx) -- And on top of that, the C'thun drop will only drop if you can complete the whole of AQ in 3,5 hours.

gl hf. :p

You too. (and another random set of chars)

[Sanazin]

That sword is really really amazing, I don't even dare to imagine what boss and trash mobs you have to go through to get it :P.
Tho I must admitt there is alot of weapons better than quel'serrar, I never really liked that sword that much, Sure its procc is good but I rather have something that increase my chance to hit and makes bit more damage, im the more "heroicstrike" tanking warrior :P Never liked ugly slow weapons with low DPS.

edit: hmm tbh Im starting to give up on Thunderfury, I have most of arcanite and money to buy rest and the left part but still imo the weapons from naxx are ALOT better than it, sure its procc is good, but without its procc it would be just like any other weapon and I dont like to rely on proccs but like more the steady stats and bonuses. and sure now it feels like a waste for the arcanite since there is alot of better things to use it on, like tier 3 set. So probably its gonna be bye bye to thunderfury for me :( :) :S

[Elydian]

For a while I've been considering exchanging it for a spineshatter for its better stats and increased DPS. But the speed, the speed -.-

Therefore, given that the improvement is minor (if it is an improvement), I've held onto my shiny green thing.

[Sioux]

What about Maladeth? (You actually have one >.>)

+Swords gives you some +Hit, anyway, and reduces glancing blows

[Elydian]

thunderfury

I'm also on my way to the sword. One binding, all the elementium, and most of everything else. Garr's being a stubborn bitch though.

From what I read, the agro on the proc is so strong that it really does increase the raid's DPS potential to a large extent, when wielded by the MT.

I'm not sure of the extent of the truth in that though. It's the single largest argument that would still place it as the best tanking weapon available even after Naxx.

[Elydian]

What about Maladeth? (You actually have one >.>)

+Swords gives you some +Hit, anyway, and reduces glancing blows

A little too slow, no stats. The +swords is not enough to make up for its downfalls imo. It will remain my comedy farming offhand that I saved from sharding that one time :P

[Sioux]

The +swords is not enough to make up for its downfalls imo.

For example, against mobs three levels above your own, with 300 weapon skill approximately 40% of your swings will be glancing blows, and the damage for those will on average be reduced by 30%. With +5 weapon skill, you will see the same amount of glancing blows (40%), but only 15% damage reduction. With +10 weapon skill, the damage reduction becomes negligible.

More rage, more DPS, more aggro <3

[Elydian]

More rage, more DPS, more aggro <3
Ofc, but it's too slight to make up for Quel's survivability. And as it stands, we wipe more from me dying than me losing agro :P

Edit: Although yeh, I'm a threat slut; but I'm also a stamina slut, so I'll constantly be weighing one against the other.

[Lyara]

Ofc, but it's too slight to make up for Quel's survivability. And as it stands, we wipe more from me dying than me losing agro :P

Edit: Although yeh, I'm a threat slut; but I'm also a stamina slut, so I'll constantly be weighing one against the other.

in AQ, you can wipe from you NOT losing aggro :p

-Lyara

[Sanazin]

hehe maladath is auctually my current tank weapon, as I said I never liked quel and stopped bothering getting it (were stuck with stupid deathbringer a long time) but finnaly I got my hands on maladath and its amazing imo, the speed is good and not too slow but yea it cannot compare with thunderfury but I use it before quel cause of its dps, quel is too ovverated for my taste.

[Hildaa]

Maladath is excellent. Stamina, mitigation(1% parry, which pwns when compared to the sissy +defense proc on quel (13*0.04=0.52block/dodge/parry) simply because it's ALWAYS there) and +hit/crit. And decent dps to boot. Owns Quel, I'd say.

Anyways, workwork. >.<

[Elydian]

Maladath is excellent. Stamina, mitigation(1% parry, which pwns when compared to the sissy +defense proc on quel (13*0.04=0.52block/dodge/parry) simply because it's ALWAYS there) and +hit/crit. And decent dps to boot. Owns Quel, I'd say.

Anyways, workwork. >.<

I disagree. 1% parry is meh. You know my opinion on dodge and parry as a form of mitigation... Mala has no stamina, and is slower than Quel. I agree that relying on a proc is shite, which is why I discount the proc in all my defense calculations. Idd, at it's best, Quel'Serrar is a fast-ish sword with good, not brilliant DPS, and 12 stamina; but it's still better than Maladath with its non existant mitigation, and marginally higher agro.

Spineshatter is another story.

[Lyara]

Maladath is excellent. Stamina, mitigation(1% parry, which pwns when compared to the sissy +defense proc on quel (13*0.04=0.52block/dodge/parry) simply because it's ALWAYS there) and +hit/crit. And decent dps to boot. Owns Quel, I'd say.

Anyways, workwork. >.<

Yeah, get to work you slacker.

-Lyara

[Sanazin]

Maladath is slower than quel 0,2 seconds but from those 1/5 seconds you get 50 more top damage and more DPS with is DEFINITLY worth it imo. I don't really like quel because you cannot take use of aggro moves like heroic strike as good as with maladath, simply because no matter your gear quel still don't have the same minimum and maximum damage with is a shame to be honest, its a good sword but it also have existed from almost the beginning of wow (when DM came out) and since then it has not got any updated at all, and theese new weapons coming out really beat the heck out of it :). and in theory maladath do increase your hit chance with is imo one of the most important for a warrior since you all know how things turn up if ze boss decides to parry your first shots at him and oo it flyes away (gah at firemaw).

[Hallian]

Yeah, get to work you slacker.

-Lyara
leal, go study for exams? :P

[Lyara]

leal, go study for exams? :P

no u

-Lyara

[Kutz]

From what I read, the agro on the proc is so strong that it really does increase the raid's DPS potential to a large extent, when wielded by the MT.

I'm not sure of the extent of the truth in that though. It's the single largest argument that would still place it as the best tanking weapon available even after Naxx.
Hmm.. I wonder why Mia haven't posted here already :p

[Elydian]

Hmm.. I wonder why Mia haven't posted here already :p

Because she got agro and died?

[Hildaa]

I disagree. 1% parry is meh. You know my opinion on dodge and parry as a form of mitigation... Mala has no stamina, and is slower than Quel. I agree that relying on a proc is shite, which is why I discount the proc in all my defense calculations. Idd, at it's best, Quel'Serrar is a fast-ish sword with good, not brilliant DPS, and 12 stamina; but it's still better than Maladath with its non existant mitigation, and marginally higher agro.

Spineshatter is another story.

Disagree all you want. Mitigation is mitigation. :p No stamina? Wtf?

And don't get me started on spineshatter/thunderfury. Both sux balls and are fugly to boot. :p

[Sanazin]

Just my opinion, spineshatter is probably the worse tank weapon blizzard ever created for warriors, now you say "omfghhexpixzii1337 haxx0r from BWL it cant suck", Take one look at its speed and judge yourself. Its simply WAAY to slow :). And even tho its that slow its DPS is not as much as Maladath. Its stats are good tho but Im not a person that judge a weapon only from its stats.

[Mia]

Thunderfury is goood. So far I have seen, I only need a new offhand in Naxx:)

Mia

[Hildaa]

Thunderfury is goood. So far I have seen, I only need a new offhand in Naxx:)

Mia

Speak of the devil! :roll:

No, it sux. :p

[Lyara]

Speak of the devil! :roll:

No, it sux. :p

But it looks so pretty :(

-Lyara

[Elydian]

Just my opinion, spineshatter is probably the worse tank weapon blizzard ever created for warriors, now you say "omfghhexpixzii1337 haxx0r from BWL it cant suck", Take one look at its speed and judge yourself. Its simply WAAY to slow :). And even tho its that slow its DPS is not as much as Maladath. Its stats are good tho but Im not a person that judge a weapon only from its stats.

Yep, I know it's too slow, that's why I cba to get one. But in every other respect it's a good weapon.

[Elydian]

Disagree all you want. Mitigation is mitigation. :p No stamina? Wtf?

And don't get me started on spineshatter/thunderfury. Both sux balls and are fugly to boot. :p

I'm gonna have to agree to disagree here. If you're looking for threat, Thunderfury has it in shovel-loads. Spineshatter has undeniably good mitigation stats, and solid DPS (a little slow, I know).

[Hildaa]

I'm gonna have to agree to disagree here. If you're looking for threat, Thunderfury has it in shovel-loads.

I think you'll find more threat in the Silithid Claw (http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=21673) to be perfectly honest. The proc? Not worth the 100 arcanite it's built from. I guess the only thing I'd value about TF are the resistances.

And, ze best argument yet again: they're both fugly as hell. ;)

[Elydian]

I think you'll find more threat in the Silithid Claw (http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=21673)

As I say, from every source I've read, and it's actually often a complaint against the weapon, Thunderfury's proc causes so much agro, it's really only useful on the MT (hence rogues and fury warriors complaining). Given that the AP and crit, and slightly higher DPS of the claw don't hugely tower over TF's base stats, I'd make a good bet that TF still holds a lot better threat.

[Sanazin]

Thunderfury might been a good weapon if you compare it to the other weapons that you can obtain from MC but no more, I dont think a procc like that can do much damage specially since its a procc and it doesn't always have to hit.
Its a fast weapon sure but I dont think it can generate the rage needed anymore. Its fast 1.9 speed but still only 44-115 and as a tank I know that won't generate much rage and that won't be able to make the aggro you can do with weapons like maladath with Heroic strike.

[Elydian]

From what I read it procs like crazy, and there's a crazy amount of rage gen that follows from that. In terms of threat, it's the threat of the proc itself, not just the threat of the damage the proc does. All added together, that's most likely more threat, and more rage gen than any of the currently available epics can provide. As a bonus you get the added survivability of the stamina, resistances, and -20% attack speed debuff that sticks on bosses.

Of course I don't own one, so I know none of this for sure, but there is a rather large number of testimonials to suggest it's true.

[Mia]

I have measured TF procrate to about 20-22% of your HITS (incl. crits, glancing and blocked. it cannot proc if you miss/get dodged/parried. Except some mobs in AQ, some elementals (earth mostly) and some very few other mobs, the resist rate is the normal 5% adjusted by level. It can also proc of most specials.

To say something about aggro: On Vael I am usually second tank (my build doesn't (didn't) have the snap aggro to start). I don't start to HS until the first tank has gotten the BA. We kill Vael in about 2 min so our dps is pretty high the whole fight. We also have another tank with TF and he doesn't start to HS until previous tank is at BA either.

But I must say that I have a very special build trying to maximize my aggro, 5-31-15 with 4/5 defiance and imp shield block. You don't see me in PvP anymore:)

When I offtank (building aggro). I often cannot do sunders at cooldown.

Mia

ps: Test method: Go in full defensive gear, TF + shield and defensive stance. Find a Servant of rakhili in Blasted Lands and hit it 3000 times.

[Hallian]

ps: Test method: Go in full defensive gear, TF + shield and defensive stance. Find a Servant of rakhili in Blasted Lands and hit it 3000 times.
You have too much free time on your hands. :P

Anyway, isn't Thunderfury supposed to be the best tanking weapon in the game? iirc Blizzard said that too, mainly being best because of the constant proc on enemies, fast attack speed and resistances. :)

[Hildaa]

Anyway, isn't Thunderfury supposed to be the best tanking weapon in the game? iirc Blizzard said that too, mainly being best because of the constant proc on enemies, fast attack speed and resistances. :)

No, it sucks and its ugly. :p

[Hildaa]

From what I read it procs like crazy, and there's a crazy amount of rage gen that follows from that.

WHOA WHOA WHOA, STOP RIGHT THERE

I have never, ever, ever in the world of warcraft gotten rage from a proc save the extra attack from sword spec and thrash blade (oh so long ago...), and I know Spinal Reaper gets you 20 rage off a killing blow. But that's it.

Care to explain where you get that idea? :p

[Sanazin]

Well problem about thunderfury is simply it don't give you rage, I dont really care what the stats are on a weapon if I know its not gonna give you rage, EVEN if do give you some aggro from whatever proccs it got you won't be going anywhere without rage, with is main reason I like maladath. and hell yea I choose rage before some resistant stats and some procc on a wep with lousy dmg.

[Elydian]

Care to explain where you get that idea? :p

Multiple sources I've read say the TF proc is factored into rage gen. As I say, I know none of this for sure, it's just what I've read.

[Elydian]

Well problem about thunderfury is simply it don't give you rage, I dont really care what the stats are on a weapon if I know its not gonna give you rage, EVEN if do give you some aggro from whatever proccs it got you won't be going anywhere without rage, with is main reason I like maladath. and hell yea I choose rage before some resistant stats and some procc on a wep with lousy dmg.

Mala has only 2 more base DPS than TF. If it's the case that the proc isn't factored in, the rage gen difference between the 2 swords is likely unnoticable. TF carries more threat and survivability than Mala, so I see absolutely no reason to choose Mala over TF. TF is also faster, so that's steadier rage gen, and faster heroic strikes.

[Hildaa]

Mala has only 2 more base DPS than TF. If it's the case that the proc isn't factored in, the rage gen difference between the 2 swords is likely unnoticable. TF carries more threat and survivability than Mala, so I see absolutely no reason to choose Mala over TF. TF is also faster, so that's steadier rage gen, and faster heroic strikes.

And TF is still considerably uglier. :roll:

[Hildaa]

Multiple sources I've read say the TF proc is factored into rage gen. As I say, I know none of this for sure, it's just what I've read.

Hokay, but seriously. The only way it could affect rage generation, for a tank, is slowing it down, since less hits taken = less rage. That's what logic tells me, anyway.

[Elydian]

Hokay, but seriously. The only way it could affect rage generation, for a tank, is slowing it down, since less hits taken = less rage. That's what logic tells me, anyway.

Yeh okay, less rage from 20% less attack speed but that will be rather minimal given how much damage you take in the big instances, especially as a lot of those attacks are specials which I assume aren't effected by attack speed. The amount of times I've died from a spike of three extremely large hits within a second makes me feel that although minor, a -20% attack speed debuff could save asses now and again. The minor rage gen you lose from the decreased attack speed, and consequently minor threat loss you suffer, would be more than made up for by the increased threat of the proc.

This is so far the only argument that sits with me, the only reason I see to hesitate in tracking down this sword, but as I say, I still feel it's a minor setback.

[Hildaa]

I repeat: Ugly. :p

[Poag]

I add this this.


Annoying..the effect and the sound are very annoying

BRD with someone who had TF = Poag says: Go unarmed or i will kill you



[edit] made it a bit less "mean"

[Elydian]

I repeat: Ugly. :p

It's by no means the prettiest sword, but makes up for it in shear vulgarity. But then, we're badass warriors who run up to people and force them to try and kill us; therefore, big, unrefined, vulgar weapons are fairly fitting.

[Hildaa]

Ok fine, you win. You can like the damn sword if you want. :p

[Elydian]

Ok fine, you win. You can like the damn sword if you want. :p

You're speaking to a guy who looked like a clown in his blue days, just to get the stats right. I used a Timeworn Mace ffs, that's like tanking with a baby rattle. TF could look like an elephant as far as I'm concerned :P

However, it looks ridiculous enough to amuse me.

[Hildaa]

However, it looks ridiculous enough to amuse me.

I'll be laughing, at least. :D

[Mandos]

You're speaking to a guy who looked like a clown in his blue days, just to get the stats right.

And wore a Helm of Wrath with naked legs. On a ram.

:rolleyes:

[Sanazin]

well for whats its worth TF really not worth the effort you need for to get it, I mean ok sure 100 arcanite is not IMPOSSIBLE to get but yea what do you do then when you get your hands on naxxramas weps, TF = bank / shard / trash can / wear in IF for noobies and nothing more, and you throw away 100 arcanite and specially 10 elementium ores with aren't the most common item you find in BWL (tho once 3 dropped in a row for us :P) but still its not worth the shot, I mean seriusly on most bosses you either hold aggro for very very short period or time (like santura in aq40) or you tank it through the whole fight and seriusly after a while theres nothing that can take aggro from you, not even a god damn mage with stupid trinkets ^_^.

[Mia]

With WF and my current gear/build, I can surpass 700 dps on some boss fights. You take aggro from a bwl tank when you do about 550-600 dps. I get in about 7 procs/min with it, that means about 30-35 unmitigated dps. It is still worth the mats. And besides. currently only 3 mobs in Naxx has been killed legally on the test server. It may be very long before those that today are in MC/Bwl to get close to killing anything worthwhile there.

The Kingsfall my bypass it because of the added rage generation from 20 more raw dps creating more specials. I need to do some mathcraft on it.

Anyhow, if I didn't have TF, I would take Kingsfall as my new tank weapon. The aggro it will generate would be too good to pass. 32 armor and 0.8% dodge is just icing. Early in Naxx you can get Iblis, Blade of the fallen seraph that is also very good. The only +sta Sword, Hungering Cold is way to slow, again:(

Mia

[Pepius]

And wore a Helm of Wrath with naked legs. On a ram.

:rolleyes:


Are you sure it was ram and not sheep ??

[Kutz]

The Kingsfall my bypass it because of the added rage generation from 20 more raw dps creating more specials. I need to do some mathcraft on it.

Anyhow, if I didn't have TF, I would take Kingsfall as my new tank weapon. The aggro it will generate would be too good to pass. 32 armor and 0.8% dodge is just icing. Early in Naxx you can get Iblis, Blade of the fallen seraph that is also very good. The only +sta Sword, Hungering Cold is way to slow, again:(

Mia Zomg, tanks gonna roll for Kingsfall (http://whataboutpp.com/items/kingsfall.php) too? Be happy you guys wear plate! Us huntars are already looking for hiding places from them raging rogues once they realise we're snatching that baby as well. I mean, don't wanna kill my fellow raiders over some loot-issues ;)