Core Hound Tooth, does it exist?

[Sioux]

Apologies for the ghey header, but that's what it boils down to. We first killed Majordomo November 24, 2005, and from then on we killed him every single week. In total, we have had 1(!) Core Hound Tooth drop, which went to somebody who had been exclusively saving DKP for it.
That's nearly 5 months of Majordomo kills, with only 1 dagger dropping. I'm wondering what the droprate is like for the rest of you guys, yours any better?

[Sang-Drax]

Well actually the droprate decreased some time ago,

Blizzard added some drops to the chest end of last year, like the Fireguard Shoulders.

The guilds who did MD before arent complaining ^^

[Wroar]

We've had so many CHT drops that every class that can use it may bid on it now. Just to save it from being dissed. Nerf Blizzards gimped system of deciding loot tables :neutral:

[Mandos]

Sounds like a slight variant on "nightslayer never drops" to me.

I thought most of the rogues in Valma were using FotF offhand?

[Sioux]

It's getting generally annoying to see all our rogues using Bonescrapers and Distracting Daggers still :P, but then again our Majordomo loot seems to be somewhat favoured anyway, 4 leaves, 16 eyes.
A good alternative would be Fang of the Faceless, but a Valma ZG group has yet to see one of those drop ><

[Mandos]

What about Brutality Blade offhand, or that other weapon loads of people have offhand which I can't remember the name of?

(Yes, alright, this isn't relevant)

[Sioux]

I thought most of the rogues in Valma were using FotF offhand?

It never once dropped. We always get Cloak of Sharding and the Shard Corrupter's Necklace.

Oh and lately the Bloodshard Legplates.

[Sioux]

What about Brutality Blade offhand, or that other weapon loads of people have offhand which I can't remember the name of?

You mean offhand Warblade of the Hakkari?

0.00 Drops.

[Mandos]

I possibly mean that. Maybe I just don't know what I'm talking about.

Seems the Gods Of The Loottables are against you.

[Sioux]

Itemisation for offhand rogue weapons simply sucks donkyballs. The _ONLY_ viable offhand keeping Speed, DPS, and stats in mind, is Core Hound Tooth. Fang of the Faceless is too slow and lacks stamina, same for Warblade of the Hakkari (and pretty much any other offhand)

[Mandos]

Well presumably speed doesn't matter hugely in raids, and you could always switch to DD or something for PvP (or does poison work on BWL trashmobs? Never fought them...) And I guess even a if weapon lacks stamina - you don't need stamina on every single item if you have enough overall stamina, you don't need every item to be an exact cross-section of your total stats.

[Sioux]

Poisons work on Blackwing Lair mobs, yes, even on the bosses.
Also items such as the Venomous Totem and teh 3/8 Bloodfang Bonus (+5% chance to apply poisons) favours the use of them.

Other than that, I'd love to go for an alternative...

... if they'd drop.

[Ant]

we seem to be lucky on our mc weapon drops, but very unlucky on our Ony Weapon drops.

On our 2nd garr kill we got the gg ripper (mine :P), on our first Domo kill we got a CHT (mine again but cost me 150dkp, 75 hours of raiding :S) and our first raggy kill we got a perdition (yep you guessed it, mine).

In about 15ish (dont know the exact number) raggy kills we have had 5 perdition blades, 2 bone reaver edge and 1 spinal reaper.

However no bloodfang legs yet.

On the subject "nightslayer" never drops, we had hardly any drop for about 6 months (1 pair of boots in 6 months), but now its dropping for fun, i think boots dropped 4 runs in a row, shoulders 4 runs in a row, and iv lost count of the amount of NS we have had to dis now (and we have about 8 active rogues, all in full, or almost full NS)

Our problem lies with Ony, she has yet to drop either a deathbringer or a Viskang :S but she likes to drop rogue, priest and lock heads just for fun, on 2 occasions so far dropping double nemesis

[Mandos]

Now this is totally offtopic, but how viable is a poisons build? I haven't really thought out this idea proplerly, but it might look something like this: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/rogue/talents.html

[Sioux]

Ony for us has dropped 3 Vis'kags, and what is this Deathbringer you speak of?

[Elydian]

We've been lucky on the Perdition's too, had a fair few, and got our first Bonereaver's last night. I hear BB have had so many Perdition's, the priests started rolling on them.

[Talya]

heh, we had no prophecy bracers for about 9months :P

btw,, deathbringer is an axe

[Sioux]

Now this is totally offtopic, but how viable is a poisons build? I haven't really thought out this idea proplerly, but it might look something like this: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/rogue/talents.html

Poisons Build is not worth it, as those 5/10 points have more effect spent someplace else.

Poison Calculation:
(AvgPoisonDamage) * (ApplyChance/100) / WeapSpd = Increased DPS
In my case
130 * 0.25 / 1.4 = 23 DPS from my bonescraper applying instant poisons.
130 * 0.25 / 1.9 = 17 DPS from a Fang of the Faceless applying instant poisons.

[Mandos]

You've clearly done your homework.

[Sioux]

Yes. Damage is a science. :P

Anyway, back on topic, a potential good offhand would be the dagger of veiled shadows, but that requires rep farming, which is ftl =)

[Eulanna]

I just checked our guild loot list. First one dropped for us on Feb 17 and we've had 5 in total since then. Here are the dates of the drops to illustrate. We down domo once per week (or reset if you prefer).

We actually have a 6th that's dropped but due to a server disconnect on that evening the loot disappeared and I don't think we'll ever see it again. :(

2006-02-17
2006-02-27
2006-03-03
2006-03-10
2006-03-20

[Xeroc]

T3M have had *at least* 6 Core Hound Tooths. Can't say this exactly tho, since we got a new dkp/signup page on the 6th of November which - only since then - records the dropped items.
All following items are the least amount that dropped (read: it might have been more^^)
3 Vis'Kag from Onyxia
3 Deathbringer
5 Perdition's Blade
3 Spinal Reaper

The Weapon droprates in BWL sucks bad tho :S
Sofar we've had no Maladath, no Ashjere'Thul, no Untamed Blades, no Ashkandi, no Lok'Amir, no Shadow Wing Focus Staff.

[Sang-Drax]

The Core hound tooth is not the only viable OH for Rogues anymore, aslthough it still is one of the best.

The Hakkari Warblade is very nice to, good speed & DPS, More AP then CHT to compensate the lack of stamina.

Dragonfang blade although a bit slower [1.8] is a good OH to. Very good stats and good DPS. Very good for the SnD and BF users.

The best OH atm is the Blessed Qiraji Pugio, you can get him from the Imperial Qiraji Arnaments drops in AQ40.
72-134 Damage, 1.7 Speed, 60.6 DPS, 7 Stamina, 18 Attack Power, 1% Chance to Hit, 1% Chance to Crit

It is also a very viable MH, actually its better then DF Blade & Perdition, but the real MH is now Death's Sting ofc.
100-152 Damage, 1.9 Speed, 66.6 DPS (EBIL!), 10 Stamina, 38 Attack Power

[Pepius]

21 Garr kill only one NS head-2x GG-2x BB (both gone to hunters)
13 Lady Onyxia kill 1x Vis'kag-3x deathbriners-1x BF head

Our whole guild can make one full NS set.
And from Ragnaros only 2x Perdeition no other weapons droped lol.
CHT is Shardtooth or Hunters take it.

[tiberium]

3 x CHT and 1 Perditions blade in 8 visits

[Tiberian]

When the good stuff drops, i can bet you won't be in the raid. Happens 99.9% of the time.

[stroodle]

kindred/aeternus been killing Ragnaros the longest around i think.

0 bonereaver's edge
0 spinal reaper's
0 eye of sulfuras


in... i dunno, 65+ kills? :p

sucky droprates ftw

[McDark]

CHT is Shardtooth or Hunters take it.
Think again, Pepski!

[Adriel]

The Last Chance Alliance (TLCA) have had total of 2 CHT drops in 8 months of going to MC.

We've had 1 bonereaver drop and 1 spinal reaver.

As a side note we've had enough Cenarion and Felheart armor to equip all the druids and warlocks of Dragonblight and only enough Lawbringer to possibly kit out 1 pally.

[Elydian]

As a side note we've had enough Cenarion and Felheart armor to equip all the druids and warlocks of Dragonblight

Same goes for us and, I think, just about everybody. It's not unusual for our Warlock and Druid alts to get 8/8 or close in one run.

[Xeroc]

in... i dunno, 65+ kills? :p


Uhm, so you have been killing Ragnaros since near release?! o.O Omfg, Aeternus pwns :D
Na, seriously. Even if you killed him every damn week without exception, you'd be at about 40 now :) And you're right, your droprate at that sucks ^^


As a side note we've had enough Cenarion and Felheart armor to equip all the druids and warlocks of Dragonblight and only enough Lawbringer to possibly kit out 1 pally.

It's been a damn long time like that for T3M, but it appears to me, that the felheart and cenarion drops have been nerfed a bit and even lawbringer drops once in a while o.O (Now that nobody really wants it anymore, since they gave up or have jugdement -.-)

[Luarta]

I was the lucky one to get it when it dropped.. great offhand

Hasnt dropped for TIF/Jinx since

[Sioux]

Well, tuesday and wednesday we did Domo again,


Tuesday:
- Sash of Whispered Secrets
- Gloves of the Hypnotic Flame
- The Eye of Divinity (16th eye vs 4 leaves)

Wednesday:
- Cauterizing Band
- Fireproof Cloak
- The Eye of Divinity (17th eye vs 4 leaves)

I think I'll go for the Dragonfang, as it has only 4 AP less, and 0.4% Crit less than the CHT, but looks better, has more DPS and good stamina.

[Adriel]

It's been a damn long time like that for T3M, but it appears to me, that the felheart and cenarion drops have been nerfed a bit and even lawbringer drops once in a while o.O (Now that nobody really wants it anymore, since they gave up or have jugdement -.-)

Well looks like I have to take my words back - last night we had more pally stuff drop than we've seen in the last 3 months!

[Desaan]

Obviously the 'seeding' myth holds some validation, or the loot tables are just bugged, it's Blizzard - I'll go with the buggy loot tables.

TDO have had :-

4 Spinal Reapers
1 Bonereavers Edge
4 Perdition's Blades

Don't throw anything at me but at the last count we'd had over 9 CHT's *ducks* (last one even went to a Hunter) *hides*

[Nasgath]

Don't throw anything at me but at the last count we'd had over 9 CHT's *ducks* (last one even went to a Hunter) *hides*

This makes me sad. :( We did 2 full MC runs last week, one on Tuesday and one on Wednesday and it still didn't drop. ¬.¬ I'd expect it to have dropped by now tbh, last and only time it dropped was over 4 months ago :\

[Meistari]

kindred/aeternus been killing Ragnaros the longest around i think.
0 bonereaver's edge
0 spinal reaper's
0 eye of sulfuras
in... i dunno, 65+ kills? :p
sucky droprates ftw

Just curious, are you still doing MC? And if so, why? Dressing ALTs?

Edit: Eeep, I forgot. Rag drops Tire 2 legs. Never mind then.

[Shin]

Aye, we're still doing MC for the sake of the now very few players who still need their leggings, and equipping a load of happy alts in the mean time. It's been moved to every two weeks to give room to more important raids, but still feels like a drag. Hopefully we'll have the right drops soon and will be able to wipe this instance off the schedule.

[Xeroc]

Make it a requirement in your recruitment to let the applicants already have tier 2 leggings, else they won't get in ^^

[Sioux]

Make it a requirement in your recruitment to let the applicants already have tier 2 leggings, else they won't get in ^^

Oooh, you brilliant are!

Recruitment requirements I change :P

(seriously, that is a good idea :P)

[Meistari]

"Requirement: Your account must be EBAYed from a retired end game raider"

[Sioux]

"Requirement: Your account must be EBAYed from a retired end game raider"
Another brilliant idea! :D

[Lyara]

Another Requirement: "You must be currently in a guild killing a majordomo which drops CHT, which you must get for me before you can join?"

:p

-Lyara

[Sioux]

Another Requirement: "You must be currently in a guild killing a majordomo which drops CHT, which you must get for me before you can join?"

:p

-Lyara

Damn joo!

You have discovered my master plan ><


(this thread is going downhill VERY fast)

[paga]

if its that bad, could always go for off-handing DFB though only 2 have dropped since t3m downed vael last year : / as far as i know.

[Sioux]

if its that bad, could always go for off-handing DFB though only 2 have dropped since t3m downed vael last year : / as far as i know.

That is the general plan, yes. Either Dragonfang or Core Hound.
In our 13 Vaelastrasz kills we had 1 drop, so it's too early to analyse droprates.

[Lyara]

Id say that was pretty sucky :P

-Lyara

[Desaan]

That is the general plan, yes. Either Dragonfang or Core Hound.
In our 13 Vaelastrasz kills we had 1 drop, so it's too early to analyse droprates.

What goes around comes around I guess. TDO's luck with weapon drops in MC is not mirrored in BWL. Yet to see a Red Dragonscale Protector or Dragonfang Blade, hade one Maldarath and a Shadow Wing Focus Staff.

EDIT: Oh, and one Spineshatter, STILL no Untamed Blade.

[Lyara]

T3M havent had an untamed blade either, or Shadow Wing Focus Staff, or Askhandi etc... so... :p

-Lyara

[Hildaa]

T3M havent had an untamed blade either, or Shadow Wing Focus Staff, or Askhandi etc... so... :p

-Lyara

We've had LOTS of the crappy weapons though. Wands, one-hand and two-hand axes that nobody really wants, etc... Bleh?

[Zuujuuju]

Returning to the CHT, I don't think it ever dropped for HVH in VoM when I was there, but I could be wrong. That said we also had a trillion hunter leaves and hardly any eyes :/

[Elydian]

I'm pretty sure Blizzard need to look at how their random seeds are generated. But then, it's the same for a lot of software that uses random number generators. I have a Winamp playlist of about 7000 tracks. If I put it on shuffle I often get the same tracks playing more often, and some tracks never played at all.

[paga]

We've had LOTS of the crappy weapons though. Wands, one-hand and two-hand axes that nobody really wants, etc... Bleh?

maybe its blizzards way of sneakily implementing chronic nerfing and buffing depending on the succes in certain classes :O

if rogues are good, no phat dagg0rs n' BF!
if rogues are bad, even priests will carry DFB's cause every other class already got em ;o

edit: based on that t3m got lots of crap priests! >< aka leave lyara out of r41ds kk ;p

[Elydian]

In that case, our heal team sucks to Hell and back.

[Neesah]

I'm telling yamutha you said that :tongue:

[Elydian]

Please don't tell Mommy :shock: It wasn't me who said it anyway, it was Chromaggus. He implied it by dropping 2xTranscendence, Empowered Leggings and Shimmering Geta in one kill, that time.

[Xeroc]

Rofl :P

And make it 2 Eye of Sulfuras since this nights Ragnaros kill for T3M :)
This actually is quite ok for...7months of Ragnaros killing? Gief Bindings tho...

[darill]

Apologies for the ghey header, but that's what it boils down to. We first killed Majordomo November 24, 2005, and from then on we killed him every single week. In total, we have had 1(!) Core Hound Tooth drop, which went to somebody who had been exclusively saving DKP for it.
That's nearly 5 months of Majordomo kills, with only 1 dagger dropping. I'm wondering what the droprate is like for the rest of you guys, yours any better?

Pretty high for us

I believe it was dissed last week too :grin:

[Sioux]

17 eyes vs 4 leaves. Sash of Whispered Secrets and the Fireguard shoulders.

Majordomo is getting really, _really_ old now =)

Oh, and Death's Sting is confirmed, but nerfed from its original form (cleekable) (http://img279.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cthundead8me.jpg)

[Nasgath]

It's still pretty bloody awesome, regardless of the damage 'nerf' O.O
(101-152, 1.90 to 95-144, 1.80).

Still, basedamage-wise it's similar to the Grand Marshal/High Warlord daggers now(Which are 95-143), except that those are 2.00 speed and have +1% crit instead of +Daggers :>(And only 7 sta and 28AP instead of 10/38, but yeh, details etc.)

[Sioux]

Death's Sting is basically the PVE version of the Grand Marshal's Dirk =P

But from 126.5 to 119.5 is quite a big downgrade, you're talking about 30 damage less per backstab >.>

[Yamutha]

Please don't tell Mommy :shock: It wasn't me who said it anyway, it was Chromaggus. He implied it by dropping 2xTranscendence, Empowered Leggings and Shimmering Geta in one kill, that time.

oh boy are you in trouble, young man :P

EDIT: OT - there is no CHT in our loot tables. Remember this, and give up on it. Confirm that you no longer need this drop, and behold it will drop.
Yeah - I'm also supposed to have words with Raggy about dropping the Nemesis legs next time.

[paga]

doesnt seem the death's sting is actually 'nerfed', the damage per second value is still the same, it just got more effective for PvE purposes.

edit: eh well, when it actually drops on DB the crusade expansion is probably hitting the shelves :p

[Sioux]

doesnt seem the death's sting is actually 'nerfed', the damage per second value is still the same, it just got more effective for PvE purposes.

edit: eh well, when it actually drops on DB the crusade expansion is probably hitting the shelves :p

I'd say a 29 damage decrease on a backstab (which equals about 5 DPS) is definately a nerf :P
Rogues need dem weapon damage lubbing, m i rite

[Nasgath]

I'd say a 29 damage decrease on a backstab (which equals about 5 DPS) is definately a nerf :P
Rogues need dem weapon damage lubbing, m i rite

It probably got decreased a bit in order to reflect the change in the encounter :p tbh, data-mining isn't really that reliable in any case and as we're not really supposed to know the "old stats"(After all, it never dropped in that state), we shouldn't really know about the decrease in damage :p

Also, 29 damage less than what it used to be, but it's still quite an improvement over other "PvE obtainable" daggers, which is all that matters in the end :p

And yeh, more damage => higher backstab/ambush damage => more whinage from people that get hit by it, and it'd just get a "Balance-nerf" from that anyway :P

[Sioux]

Also, 29 damage less than what it used to be, but it's still quite an improvement over other "PvE obtainable" daggers, which is all that matters in the end :p

Yeah, it's still the best PVE dagger, but no longer by a mile :P


And yeh, more damage => higher backstab/ambush damage => more whinage from people that get hit by it, and it'd just get a "Balance-nerf" from that anyway :P

Fight the system Nas, Fight it!

[paga]

backstab schmackstab, in PvE thats not what your damage should rely on.
backstab should be a mere bonus, aside from the vael encounter.

with a balanced crit/AP ratio and +hit gear,
hit SnD and watch the white damage do its job.
the faster attack speed is only beneficial here.

i guess its 'nerfed' for pvp. still, its the most powerful dagger and most powerful weapon in general imo.

but as i said, when you actually defeat c'thun its already mid summer, and if the droprate is as bad as it is for you with CHT, its really nothing to look forward to.

[Elydian]

c'thun its already mid summer

Speak for yourself...he dies tonight...even though it's BWL tonight...YEH!

[paga]

im not being offensive, im just facing facts my good ol' plate boy ;)
and fat chance ill ever see ze stingeronic of hax =[

no-one lubs me ;-;

[Sioux]

backstab schmackstab, in PvE thats not what your damage should rely on.
backstab should be a mere bonus, aside from the vael encounter.

with a balanced crit/AP ratio and +hit gear,
hit SnD and watch the white damage do its job.
the faster attack speed is only beneficial here.

i guess its 'nerfed' for pvp. still, its the most powerful dagger and most powerful weapon in general imo.

but as i said, when you actually defeat c'thun its already mid summer, and if the droprate is as bad as it is for you with CHT, its really nothing to look forward to.

Thanks for putting that like I don't know what I'm talking about <3
Appreciate it.

[paga]

np. <3 xp

i was just putting it up in general not for you specifically

[Jalhar]

but as i said, when you actually defeat c'thun its already mid summer
Mmmmh we will see :D
Death's sting is still an awesome weapon , would love it for my nubrogue :)
Oh btw, darke edge of insanity got nerfed too, it seems that cthun nerfed => loot nerfed, as someone said before.

[paga]

Mmmmh we will see :D
Death's sting is still an awesome weapon , would love it for my nubrogue :)
Oh btw, darke edge of insanity got nerfed too, it seems that cthun nerfed => loot nerfed, as someone was said before.

was refering to Valma actually (k)

[Sioux]

was refering to Valma actually (k)

Well in that case I can assure you it wont be Mid Summer :P

Seeing we currently have no plans to actively take on AQ40 at all :)

[Sang-Drax]

Explain me why a high end raiding guild like Valma isnt taking a new dungeon (AQ) on. Its the next logical step no ?

[Dukey]

i defy logic,and i secrelty puppeteer valma

[Nasgath]

Explain me why a high end raiding guild like Valma isnt taking a new dungeon (AQ) on. Its the next logical step no ?

What Dukey said. :(

(Realistically, we've only killed Nef twice so far, we want a little more time in BWL before focussing on AQ more :p ie. make it so we need less time in BWL so we have some time for AQ40)

[Sioux]

Explain me why a high end raiding guild like Valma isnt taking a new dungeon (AQ) on. Its the next logical step no ?

We at Valma feel that having fun is the best engine in our progress through Azeroth. If 75% of the guild says AQ40 sucks, it would be counterproductive to raid it anyway, as the lack of motivation will cause the guild to perform poorly, which will result in Valma being stuck at boss number X for too long, which causes people to get cranky, taking breaks, quitting the game and generally a stressy atmosphere.
We'll raid AQ40 sooner or later, but right now the animo is simply too low to consider it.

[paga]

mneeh, i like dukey's approach more <3

[Sang-Drax]

kk i get the idea,

I get fun from this game mastering difficult new challenges with the raid group.

Btw how can you say you dont like AQ if you haven't made serious attempts. AQ is a lot more fun then MC ! :P (which isnt very difficult).

But good luck anyways (you'll need it with the Dukester as the puppetmaster)

[McDark]

Btw how can you say you dont like AQ if you haven't made serious attempts. AQ is a lot more fun then MC ! :P (which isnt very difficult).
Drowning kittens is more fun than MC. :roll: Then again, that's always been a favourite. :)

[Tench]

We at Valma feel that having fun is the best engine in our progress through Azeroth.

Hows that for a Corporate response :lol:

"We at Blizzard feel that this feature is working as intended"

[Sioux]

Hows that for a Corporate response :lol:

"We at Blizzard feel that this feature is working as intended"

Blame me writing that at work :P

[Tench]

Ze CHT dropped for our friday MC run...I didnt get it though, seems they just threw one in to make us think it does exist!