PVP Scores

[Tetzuo]

Hey just wondering how everyone usually does on BG from alliance perspective too so at the end of your games take a screeny and post up the scores here, Ill start off with one of my recent games.

http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/3282/bgscore6ad.th.jpg (http://img318.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bgscore6ad.jpg)

[Vaalny]

Hehe just any old game picked a random was it tetz :P

[Tetzuo]

Gota be one i played well of course ;) 2nd from last i played 2day tho quite happy with the score, not to brag tho im sure others have had much better scores, this is one im personally happy with tho. :)

[Tiberian]

I'm doing a lot better score wise. Horde normally win the games however today i would say we won around the same, score wise. Behold this beauty. Was taken today. :oops: Not bad for a clense bot.
http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/1406/hordewins7wr.th.jpg (http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hordewins7wr.jpg)

[Tetzuo]

Nice 1 good score guys musta been a good game!

[Desaan]

Fast, just fast :)

[Hallian]

LOL, don't bullshit Tet, that's your best game ever as you let us know loud and clear on guild-chat last night.

Showoff :P

[Tetzuo]

Of course its my best game ever didnt say it wasnt but i still wana see other peoples scores coz its interesting to see how everyone does im hardly gona post a game where i did badly now am i :P

[Elven Bow]

I dont , but I will start doing now , Im usually in the top 3 at least.

[Tiberian]

Of course its my best game ever didnt say it wasnt but i still wana see other peoples scores coz its interesting to see how everyone does im hardly gona post a game where i did badly now am i :P


You might tet if you upload the wrong file :lol:

[corwyx]

I'm usually at the bottom 3 =)

As I usually play defence, and work to prevent flag capture and escapes, and leave all such things as killing and such to the others.

Of course sometimes I'm at the top to. As sometimes I go offencive instead... and strangly even though I count myself quite bad at it, I'm usually able to get at least 2 out of the 3 flags when we win =)

Havn't PvPed a single minute this week though, so I'm rusting here.
One of these days I'll take some real time off for figureing out how the Gultch REALLY works. THEN I'll own you I'm sure =)
[Just need to get some better gear first :]

[stroodle]

i was with my super twinked warrior in the 41-50 WG once :P

kang, boots of avoidance, stockade pauldrons, etc and i was on top with something like 105 killing blows and 3 deaths :lol: pitty i didnt took a screeny from that, but ... warriors in mass pvp... boy, the reason i started powerlvling my alt like hell :P

[Deadwish]

Well the list schedules you only looking at killing blows...why??? Deal out the last hit ftw, don't see any honor here.

Who's knows if ending in the top of the killing blow list gives you more honor points?
I think the honorable kills, flag captures and returns gives you the most points.

[Dukey]

give that man an irn bru,ah what the hell,give 'im 2

[stroodle]

Well the list schedules you only looking at killing blows...why??? Deal out the last hit ftw, don't see any honor here.

Who's knows if ending in the top of the killing blow list gives you more honor points?
I think the honorable kills, flag captures and returns gives you the most points.

yup, hence i dont understand why killing blows are used as place indicators in WG :|

[Rond]

you don't get more hp for killing blows .. and as shaman i rarely get a killing blow unless my wf kicks in i don't like to spam some shock to finish someone of they're not worth the mana imo only if they are hard enough :) or running from me :)

[Gorblum]

I have to say killing blows dont prove to be anything.. because there are times you can have just so many Honor kills and yet not much killing blows on the scoreboard to show it. But in the end its all about if you can help your team win for the bonus Honor Points from capturing the flags for the win at least.

Great games are when you win it 3-0 and everyone in the team performed so well that you hardly even died and got loads of kills by sticking together.

[Hex]

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/51/wowscrnshot0717051528467fe.th.jpg (http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot0717051528467fe.jpg)

Theres mine :) its half way through the game, but i still won it ¬_¬

[Bobson]

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8927/wowscrnshot0702050017342yk.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

Bob FTW!

[Hex]

lol Bob that screeny was from ages ago :P

[Bobson]

3 levels ago. can you see in the corner "Hex: Owned :D" hehe

[Hex]

:D i also got one flag capture, i remember when i got 3 :shock: each guy payed me 50s for it :o

[Rymek]

3 levels ago. can you see in the corner "Hex: Owned :D" hehe

ur signature is not funny at all ...

[Bobson]

thnks

[Hex]

True bobson, if i took the piss out of the Tauren leader dying ... you wouldnt be lauging !!!! :o

[Azog]

http://koti.phnet.fi/anttis/8on11.JPG

Notice the fair 8 vs 11 fight.

[Rond]

http://koti.phnet.fi/anttis/8on11.JPG

Notice the fair 8 vs 11 fight.

nice one orm now got one from 1vs 15 .... how can they join?

[Caramac]

in the last few weeks, if my killing blows is half number of my deaths i am happy, pally dps owns :)

things have improved pvpÃÂ*ng in the lvl30's range with my shadow priest

[Azog]

http://koti.phnet.fi/anttis/almost.JPG

Almost! dang

[Rymek]

satanmlk first ahahha :D
how many low hp's he aoed? :p
the king of 1vs1 ;p

here's my score
http://artemis.wszib.edu.pl/~rymaszew/score.jpg[/img]

[Tetzuo]

Ah Reynevan, ur always the mage to blast me to death so i try to give u special attention in BG :P ur the first person i go for in a large group ;) feel the love? But then usually u blink away and its game over if i cant finish u fast *cries*

[Sang-Drax]

Bah nobody posts screenies i am on :(

[corwyx]

I got 7 from thuesday, and 7 from saturday. Your in a few of those I think.
I'll see if I can get about posting them one of these days when I get home and my mind don't go blank as I login...

[Rymek]

Ah Reynevan, ur always the mage to blast me to death so i try to give u special attention in BG :P ur the first person i go for in a large group ;) feel the love? But then usually u blink away and its game over if i cant finish u fast *cries*

well usualy when i blink away hunter shoot me to death or BT's arcanite reaper in my face ;p and yes i feel the love ;p

i need to make some strong anti venoms from Argent Dawn recipe :) cripling poison is fast death ;p

[Azog]

Bah nobody posts screenies i am on :(

Here you go

http://koti.phnet.fi/anttis/sang.JPG

[Votan]

For you Sangdrax ;)

http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload7/Hordewin.jpg

[Tetzuo]

Been awhile since i been in WSG been slacking off no rank up for me ><, been busy gettin last bits n pieces for my Rogue but i shall return soon and u shall all feel the mighty rogue love!

[Rymek]

Been awhile since i been in WSG been slacking off no rank up for me ><, been busy gettin last bits n pieces for my Rogue but i shall return soon and u shall all feel the mighty rogue love!

i have rogue alt ;p phear me

[Sang-Drax]

Wee tnx Votan and Azog

[Dukey]

best game isnt the one when i got most flags/defended most...but the game i died only twice,the killing of me was precious that game :D

duke

[stroodle]

there you go sang

http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload9/sang1.jpg

http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload5/sang2.jpg

yes that IS allience winning, and NO that isnt a random pickup group as usual...

gg sang :P

[Sang-Drax]

Lol that 1st battle was just above 5 minutes i believe, Horde wasnt prepaired facing a Kindred WG :)

(Xiko and Phase were excellent to)

Is that an arrogant statement ? i guess it is :twisted:

[Ecthelion]

I got a lot of pics that I can post. Usually take a pic after nearly every BG I'm in. But it have to wait until I get home from my holiday trip.

[Tetzuo]

Nice screens guys keep em comin :)

[Evilmojo]

I never screen them. I had 2 flag caps in one round yesterday though.. that was a kodak moment for a Warlock, but I forgot to save it :(

Mo

[Phase]

Lol that 1st battle was just above 5 minutes i believe, Horde wasnt prepaired facing a Kindred WG

(Xiko and Phase were excellent to)

Is that an arrogant statement ? i guess it is
_________________

I think you will find that it was Xiko and my clever, distract the horde with supposed easy targets, tactics that won the event :twisted:

[corwyx]

YAh you alliance deserve a win now and then too.
After all its not THAT often ;)

[Silv]

Did it with a kindred team with 1-3 random peeps, won 3-0 three times in a row. Feels a bit futile to try teamplaying in random groups :-/

[Fox]

Some cross-faction lurve for you all. Grats on the 3-1 win Hordeys :D

My first time playing my warrior in PvP, always a bit of a laugh. Random alliance side against a seemingly well-greased Horde side in WSG this evening, well-played to both teams though, the game lasted a decent length. We struggled with your druids and shaman, and <3 to the hunter emoting me :)

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/898220/lowbieWSG.jpg

[Silv]

Did a battleground run on my level 23 warrior :D Turned out in favor to Alliance with 2-0, then it all went for the horde, 3-2 :) Including last second flag returns, harsh battles and surprisingly nice teamplay.

Power to the orcs! :p

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/9651/thirzarrbg9iw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[T-Blade]

being on top of list proves nothing. just shows how good peeps are chasing low HP guys and finishing them of. the if u just focus on killinhg u'll get a 3/0 whipe in 15 minutes. it's important to capture flag and get good escort and have good flag returners. if u can't play in team it doesn't matter how good u are. u will loose anyways. i'm not even posting scores here from my teams since i think its irrelevant. i'm mostly top 3. but the higher i go up list the lower my teamplay goes. so i prefer not to go for nr 1

[Turin]

being on top of list proves nothing. just shows how good peeps are chasing low HP guys and finishing them of. the if u just focus on killinhg u'll get a 3/0 whipe in 15 minutes. it's important to capture flag and get good escort and have good flag returners. if u can't play in team it doesn't matter how good u are. u will loose anyways. i'm not even posting scores here from my teams since i think its irrelevant. i'm mostly top 3. but the higher i go up list the lower my teamplay goes. so i prefer not to go for nr 1

How true. Players like Satanmlk are usually at the top spot, while their team looses. Ofc, satans skills seem to be limited to pom-pyroblast-blink-run away to let teammates die, and not everyone has such a limited repertoire...

[Tetzuo]

Just abita fun guys dont turn it into a hate thread :| if u dont like it then thats up2 u dont whine about it or players plz...

[Fox]

being on top of list proves nothing. just shows how good peeps are chasing low HP guys and finishing them of. the if u just focus on killinhg u'll get a 3/0 whipe in 15 minutes. it's important to capture flag and get good escort and have good flag returners. if u can't play in team it doesn't matter how good u are. u will loose anyways.

Agreed about the teamplay thing; thats just 'common' sense. In that last game I posted the results of it was an effort to get anyone to stay back and defend with me. Even when the majority of the action was at the alliance side of the arena.

But showing "how good peeps are chasing low HP guys and finishing them off".
I disagree.
Chase targets around enough and you'll quickly get split up and outnumbered. You wont be killing anything then.

Being on top of the list is more down to the class you play. I often see dps classes (Mages, rogues and some hunters) and warriors (Execute) at the top of the list of killing blows, and that bears out in the results shown on these pages. When was the last time you saw a druid or a pally at the top of a list? (Yet I'd have given my right nut for either of those classes to help defend and heal in that game :D )


i'm not even posting scores here from my teams since i think its irrelevant. i'm mostly top 3. but the higher i go up list the lower my teamplay goes. so i prefer not to go for nr 1

Then that's your choice. But to specifically aim to place below first by not killing too many people seems counter-productive ;) Most people prefer to play the game as best they can, then worry about what the score, HKs, etc was at the end....
I like to see people posting score-screens here because it shows who played together, how long a game lasted, and what classes were present. And if the other side played particularly well as was my case, they deserve some praise.

[Votan]

Heheh Unholybomber is my shadowpriest alt :D Aye that lowbie BG was generally a mess as the level of cooperation was minimal. The lack of PvP experience can be extremely telling.. ah well they have to learn sometime 8)
I never thought I'd be saving one of my most notorious enemies (silv) in a BG :lol:

I did find it odd seeing a lvl 31 paladin in the lvl 21-30 BG..


Being on top of the deathblow list is not about killing off low hp guys.. if you think its all about that then you are quite confused. Getting a deathblow is usually incidental though aoe classes have an advantage here.
Teamwork is key in warsong.. failure to get your act together will usually end up in defeat. I sometimes do envy certain alliance groups when i'm in wsg and the Horde is about as organised as a pack of seagulls fighting for a single dead fish.. all for one and none for all >.<

Well some players here have ego's that are just too big for their own good.. don't need to name names as its becoming common knowledge.

[Caramac]

the lvl30 range is actaully good sometimes when they decide to attack, shame as normally 8/9 peeps sit back and def.

Guess who easily named alt would get the flag and just be moon spammed by the dru's until dead :)

travelform + shammy ghost form > all at sub 40. :(

[Silv]

Always frustrating with all the things you haven't got. Once Im feared I press my usual trinket button and the first aid window pops up ^.^ Also frustrating when you see someone in midfield and don't have an epic mount to chase.

Piercing Howl is awesome for flag running. <3 warriors.

[sildiara]

In WG, I'm mostly on defense, because of hunters nice defending skills, like traps, humanoid/stealh tracking, flares.

Most often, it means that I'm alone at base (although, some shamans like defending too). When I'm alone at base, here's the situation.

If the battlefield goes well, I never see a single enemy (=boring, no CPs).
If the battlefield goes bad, I'm flooded with 6-7 enemies (=boring, no CPs).

Which basically means that WG = boring. Defending sucks balls, but unless I stand back there, no one will, and the elite attackers will be going "omg who's defending?! noobs!½".

[T-Blade]

In WG, I'm mostly on defense, because of hunters nice defending skills, like traps, humanoid/stealh tracking, flares.

Most often, it means that I'm alone at base (although, some shamans like defending too). When I'm alone at base, here's the situation.

If the battlefield goes well, I never see a single enemy (=boring, no CPs).
If the battlefield goes bad, I'm flooded with 6-7 enemies (=boring, no CPs).

Which basically means that WG = boring. Defending sucks balls, but unless I stand back there, no one will, and the elite attackers will be going "omg who's defending?! noobs!½".

maybe make urself a midfield defender (hint) u can run faster then attackers, u can c them incomming. then its just a matter of chasing them, and keep hitting with what u got. and don't forget to place ur trap somewhere :D when my team goes in WSG we hardly have anyone at our flag. but u always have to pass the midfield.. there is the challange waiting. but 1 thing is true: defending = boring

[Kharajo]

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4851/gohorde2te.th.jpg
Buggyness! :)

[Silvia]

Thumbnail for the win.

[Silv]

I've seen a couple of hunters that do well in offense too, but as T-blade said, you'd be great in mid-field. Say if one in your team got the flag, you drop a trap and scatter shot to stop his pursuers. Also nice with a hunter to stop runners when they got your flag.

[Harkon]

but as T-blade said, you'd be great in mid-field. Say if one in your team got the flag, you drop a trap and scatter shot to stop his pursuers. Also nice with a hunter to stop runners when they got your flag.

Exactly. You're excellent in covering the flag carrier, trapping when you can, scattering and wingclipping, concuss any that pull away, and general wing clip spam. I often find that a decent few people will stop to kill me instead of getting annoyed by me - leads to a couple still going on and myself with certain death, but as long as there's more than you covering the carrier, thats great. :)

Hunters rule defense yes, but you've got to rule defense outside, cutting off those evil people trying to run down the flanks and into your base, and cutting off rogues or druids that stealth past you and come out with the flag. With tracking, no one does this like a hunter. Just bully a friend into helping you out with this kind of task. :wink:

[Votan]

Hunters need space.. that space isn't inside the cramped flagroom ;)

I agree with what Harkon said and yes I too get at least 2-3 Alliance to stop and gank me :shock:

[Kharajo]

Thumbnail for the win.

Try deleting the "th" in the URL and it shows up as a full pic. It's very simple really. But here's the original URL. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4851/gohorde2te.jpg

[Ecthelion]

Here's some pics I've taken:

1. Another boring 3-0 game (http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3967/tnwowscrnshot0620051503251wg.jpg)

2. Very good match. Too bad horde won :p (http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/1425/tnwowscrnshot0620051749170bl.jpg)

3. Another boring 3-0 game (http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/6996/tnwowscrnshot0620052037255zt.jpg)

4. And another one (http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/6305/tnwowscrnshot0621052041476vw.jpg)

5. A very good match again :) (http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6146/tnwowscrnshot0621052301440el.jpg)

6. Another match (http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/314/tnwowscrnshot0626050304325dq.jpg)

7. Good match! (http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/2674/tnwowscrnshot0627050306376gv.jpg)

8. 3-0 again. Never mind me getting over-excited in the chat :p (http://img284.imageshack.us/img284/2523/tnwowscrnshot0628050246191vw.jpg)

9. 3-0 :( (http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4121/tnwowscrnshot0630051347000mk.jpg)

10. 3-1 (http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/589/tnwowscrnshot0630052211334lz.jpg)

11. 3-0 :( (http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5573/tnwowscrnshot0702051936475ma.jpg)

12. 3-0 (http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4610/tnwowscrnshot0703051545408mk.jpg)

13. 3-1 (http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/476/tnwowscrnshot0704050002215ga.jpg)

14. 3-0 (http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/7310/tnwowscrnshot0704050146552zr.jpg)

15. Good match! (http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/4527/tnwowscrnshot0705050251065ji.jpg)

[Tiller]

:lol:

If you want us to post up every 3-0 game we win, we'll be filling up the forums :wink:

Most are boring games indeed but who cares.. easy wins, easy honor points at the end of the week :P

[Evilmojo]

Ah good "old" memories from the nr 15 one. Never have returned that many flags as that round.. These days flags are picked up before they show up almost :P I remember me and Detroxx speaking on Ventrilo that round, we where sure that gnome warlocks was superevil or something, we both blasted Gogorian with shadowbolts, and nothing happened like twice.. :shock:

Miss these old even rounds, lots of struggle for the flag captures.. Not much of these anymore, more and more cakewalk rounds with some forget to win in a pickupteam rounds here and there. Ofcourse it happens now and then that we get good rounds, but they where more frequent before, and those are usually late night. :|

Mo

[Ecthelion]

Yeah, I miss those good rounds too. Some of the point with posting the 3-0 games is to show that there is too few good rounds unfortunately. It only gets fun when you have a very even game :wink:

[Harkon]

3-2 (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81/Squigletexpress/battle01.jpg)

:)

[Rymek]

3-0 (http://artemis.wszib.edu.pl/~rymaszew/scores.jpg)

yes we joined again as grp... we're bad

[Silv]

Was fun on the 21-30 bg, 5 of us hordies against 10 alliance peeps, still they had lots of trouble. We scored 1-0, then a damn druid managed to escape at last into 1-1, when the group went to 6 vs 10 we scored 2-1 and when we were 7 vs 10 we scored 3-1 ^.^

[Azog]

1-3 (http://koti.phnet.fi/anttis/wow1.JPG) Atleast i tried :/
3-0 (http://koti.phnet.fi/anttis/wow2.JPG) \o/
3-1 (http://koti.phnet.fi/anttis/wow3.JPG) Tough opponent but we made it
3-2 (http://koti.phnet.fi/anttis/wow4.JPG) Long and boring
1-3 (http://koti.phnet.fi/anttis/wow5.JPG) Where am i?
0-3 (http://koti.phnet.fi/anttis/wow6.JPG) Sad
2-3 (http://koti.phnet.fi/anttis/wow7.JPG) Another very long fight, we never win those

[Ecthelion]

We had a real nice fight yesterday. Very close.

- It started out with horde being one less then us alliance. After some mins it was 2-0 to alliance. And ofc my game had to crash. When I came back in horde had scored 2 goals! And even though I'm not a CS player I was like OMFG. Horde was 10 now I think.

- Then there were failed tries to take the flag on both sides. Until the alliance flag and the horde flag were picked up at about the same time later on. I and some others managed to kill off the horde flag carrier. We then run towards our flag carrier to discover he was alone with a train of horde after him.
I did what I usually do, jump off the horse and start with a frost nova to slow them down. But he got killed, and I managed to snatch the flag right in front of their faces and blinked away, and scored some seconds later.

- Close fights like this is what I like, although this one was a bit too long. Keep 'em coming :)

Score Table (http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8003/tnwowscrnshot0801050051518ta.jpg)

[Rafub]

We had a real nice fight yesterday. Very close.

- It started out with horde being one less then us alliance. After some mins it was 2-0 to alliance. And ofc my game had to crash. When I came back in horde had scored 2 goals! And even though I'm not a CS player I was like OMFG. Horde was 10 now I think.

- Then there were failed tries to take the flag on both sides. Until the alliance flag and the horde flag were picked up at about the same time later on. I and some others managed to kill off the horde flag carrier. We then run towards our flag carrier to discover he was alone with a train of horde after him.
I did what I usually do, jump off the horse and start with a frost nova to slow them down. But he got killed, and I managed to snatch the flag right in front of their faces and blinked away, and scored some seconds later.

- Close fights like this is what I like, although this one was a bit too long. Keep 'em coming :)

Score Table (http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8003/tnwowscrnshot0801050051518ta.jpg)


Aye, more fights like that - well played on both sides :-) thx for the fight.

[Kharajo]

1-3 (http://koti.phnet.fi/anttis/wow1.JPG) Atleast i tried :/


A bad Warsong for me too :wink:

[Harkon]

Breif revival, since I've recently been having a lotta fun with my warrior in Warsong...

Alliance didn't seem up to their best at this level...

Battle 1 (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81/Squigletexpress/quickbattle1.jpg)

Of course then they went and proved me wrong with a helluva battle...

Battle 2 (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81/Squigletexpress/longbattle1.jpg)

[Ashlect]

Umm you do know that those scores are not personal kills dont you.

If you read the WoW pages about kills it tells you that any kill that is made by your group that you are within radius of is credited to you as well.

If you dont believe me...kill nothing while in a close group...they register.

Something like that anyway...I haven't got a link to show you as I am here right now of course but go for a search and you will see.

The scores are not true reflections of personal 1-1 kills....sorry.

Ash

[Ashlect]

Just to prove a point...

In my fist time in Alterac Valley my kills registered at 1600...

I did not individually kill that many times 1-1.

[Siakon]

/bow

Revenants ftw

[Votan]

And you lot wonder why the Horde doesn't bother with AV....

17 vs 40.. Looks like Hibland on Excal (DAoC) the first week of New Frontiers O_o

[Meistari]

Votan, what you say is both true and false. :) That entire game alliance had superior numbers though the difference was less earlier in the game. The Alliance just got alot larger pool of people to take from. Horde were never more than 32 I think (?).

In the last part of the 'event' Hordies started to leave (it was starting to get late), thus we were about 20-25 the last hour or so. When they finally brought the large dude to hammer our NPC at our final stand we didnt manage to drag it into one of the NPC towers to let the NPC kill it, thus ended that day.

In the end they had taken our last graveyard which makes ressurection take place at the instance entrance. The game was clearly over and more left. This is why you see 17 Hordies listed and not a few more.

[Deadwish]

was this the good old AV days? I've only been there twice...after that never seen anyone in there :/

[Votan]

Meistari: well yes and no. The Alliance will always have 40 (or close to it) players in Alterac while the Horde can only dream of such things ;) Its this disparity of numbers that pretty much always ensures a predetermined outcome. This leaves the question: why bother? The truth is self evident as most people will look at you if you've lost your mind if you propose an AV session ;)

Deadwish: the good old AV days existed when the battlegrounds were just introduced, they were shiny and new and everyone wanted to try them. When the realization came that AV was in actual fact very boring due to its bottleneck layout and inherent penchant for zerging people gave up.

The real problem with WoW PvP is that its not, in anyway, dynamic. Everything is centered around self gain, there is absolutely nothing to benefit the realm (be it Horde or Alliance) as a whole. This focus of self gain seriously deteriorates raiding/grouping as people will want to maximise their personal gain. Hell even Thungodt from the official forums once stated that the best way to do AV and get maximum benefits from it is to solo for a while (to make use of the diminishing returns) and then to join the raid (points are divided amongst all members hence circumventing the dimishing returns).
I wonder if Blizzard have gotten the message about the need for dynamic PvP as their newest creation.. Arathi Basin.. is just the bastard child of Warsong and Alterac >.<

[Meistari]

Meistari: well yes and no. The Alliance will always have 40 (or close to it) players in Alterac while the Horde can only dream of such things ;) Its this disparity of numbers that pretty much always ensures a predetermined outcome. This leaves the question: why bother? The thruth is self evident as most people will look at you if you've lost your mind if you propose an AV session ;)

Aye, I totally agree that the 'disparity of numbers' (hell, i must learn to express myself like that!) is the the main reason for the lack of Horde participation in AV.

On other realms AV is a constant source of activit though. Maybe because as you say it is a place to grind for items and personal goals. Still to some it is entertainment I guess. We (Horde) should be able to get enough for AV, but due to the first days of happiness and then total zerging from the Alliance it soon died out -- and I feel we still suffer greatly from this.

Also the larger Horde guilds are now starting to run MC (and other end game content) smoothly thus a organized happening in AV (and maybe regular) is not prone to happen just yet. The main playerbase is just not in habit of checking our AV I guess. We are victims of our own past. :P *cough*

[Aries]

Also the mistake was to make it possible to join the queue only for one of those 2 (soon 3) BGs. I reckon it would be easier to get AV going should it be possible to still be in queue for it while chasing the flag in WG.

Edit: now that I think of it it would produce other problems like what if you get an invite for AV in the middle of WG.. But still, most people wil choose the WG queue as it's just far more likely you'll get in at the end of the day.

[Votan]

I personally wouldn't mind AV from time to time as it breaks the endless grinding (for items, reputation, gold). I do add myself to the queue from time to time when I'm feeling overly optimistic ;)

I do remember those initial days where we all stood milling around that final bridge in AV at the Alliance base. It goes without saying that we didn't know what to do as we didn't even kill the Alliance mine layer >.<

Ideally I'd like to see some sort of mix between DAoC and WoW in terms of PvP. The dynamism that is DAoC PvP with the towers/keeps concept combined with the classes and scenery from WoW. An old story I know but who ever said old stories were bad ;)

[Siakon]

Yes. a lot of horde left when they knew they were going to lose, think it was about 40/35 at one point. I only posted that because of the forum title, not for arguments sake also :P

[paga]

http://ic1.deviantart.com/fs7/i/2005/240/9/2/flgffdsf_by_blackpepper.jpg

same 2 days ago, 40-40 on par, last hour hordes somehow gave up pretty much.

[Megana]

Also the mistake was to make it possible to join the queue only for one of those 2 (soon 3) BGs. I reckon it would be easier to get AV going should it be possible to still be in queue for it while chasing the flag in WG.

Edit: now that I think of it it would produce other problems like what if you get an invite for AV in the middle of WG.. But still, most people wil choose the WG queue as it's just far more likely you'll get in at the end of the day.

I popped this idea on the official suggestions forum a few days ago. I think if you get into any battleground you'd have to drop from all of the queues, but at least it would avoid getting into a deadlock situation where you have 20 PvPers online - 4 in WG queue, 6 in AB queue and 10 in AV queue so none of the instances start...

[Stormxdragon]

must have lost at least 10 times more warsong matches that ive won, but im too stubborn/daft/determined to give up, maybe when blizzards introduce the ribbons for the team that looses (like the talismens but much less rep increases for handing them in), wont be quite so depressing keep gettin our ass's handed to us
have faith and besides i dont like being beat by giant cows ;)

[Ashlect]

I can see the point that more Alliance in queue would lead to an eventual Alliance win if the battle carried on long enough (which happens)...

Yet on the other hand I can't see why Horde can't win the battle within a few hours of start time.

My first AV experience started in late morning and took till late night to finish, about 12 hours in play overall. Although the other battles I encountered did not take that long....they still went on for 6 hours at least....

Is 6 hours not enough time to win a game?

AV does NOT start late at night and there is sufficient time to defeat the opposition before the time to 'go to bed' comes...

I see both arguments.....some apply.... some don't.

Ash

[Talazar]

I can see the point that more Alliance in queue would lead to an eventual Alliance win if the battle carried on long enough (which happens)...

Yet on the other hand I can't see why Horde can't win the battle within a few hours of start time.

My first AV experience started in late morning and took till late night to finish, about 12 hours in play overall. Although the other battles I encountered did not take that long....they still went on for 6 hours at least....

Is 6 hours not enough time to win a game?

AV does NOT start late at night and there is sufficient time to defeat the opposition before the time to 'go to bed' comes...


I see both arguments.....some apply.... some don't.

Ash

umm...what?

[Azog]

I can see the point that more Alliance in queue would lead to an eventual Alliance win if the battle carried on long enough (which happens)...

Yet on the other hand I can't see why Horde can't win the battle within a few hours of start time.

My first AV experience started in late morning and took till late night to finish, about 12 hours in play overall. Although the other battles I encountered did not take that long....they still went on for 6 hours at least....

Is 6 hours not enough time to win a game?

AV does NOT start late at night and there is sufficient time to defeat the opposition before the time to 'go to bed' comes...

I see both arguments.....some apply.... some don't.

Ash

How does any of this prove it doesn't start late at night? How can you even prove somethig isn't late for anyone?