Shamans!

[Zephyr]

Anything about the class welcome - builds, ideas, opinions etc.

I'm loving my shaman at the moment, seems to be doing well in both PvP and PvE. Just a couple of questions for discussion:

1. Builds

I've planned my build vaguely around this:

Elemental Combat Talents (16 points)

Concussion - 5/5 points
Convection - 5/5 points
Reverberation - 5/5 points
Elemental Focus - 1/1 point

Enhancement Talents (10 points)

Ancestral Knowledge - 5/5 points
Improved Ghost Wolf - 2/2 points
Improved Lightning Shield - 3/3 points

Restoration Talents (21 points)

Tidal Focus - 5/5 points
Totemic Focus - 5/5 points
Improved Lesser Healing Wave - 5/5 points
Tidal Mastery - 5/5 points
Nature's Swiftness - 1/1 point

Which leaves 4 points unspent.

Comments welcome - I know I may be being a little different by going into restoration :)

2. What weapon buff to use? Rockbiter / Flametongue / Frostbrand / Windfury

Personally I usually choose windfury - it just gives a sweet feeling every time it happens :wink: but sometimes use rockbiter too.

That's all I can think of for now - look forward to hearing responses and any more questions.

For the Horde!

[corwyx]

Unless I'm in an instance which have lots of critters that are either
fire or cold vulnerable I would never bother with flametongue or
coldbrand personally.

I use mainly windfury, but use Rockbiter those times I'm tanking and
having to keep extra aggro because I have a triggerhappy Mage in
my group or we're hardpressed so that any priest we have with us
need to cast lots of healings.

As for build. 2/3 Enchantment 1/3 Restoration.
The restoration mainly to get ONE talent in there.. which sadly is
quite high up.. oh well =)

[Lyara]

Sigh, nerf shamans! :)

Only joking :p

Lya

[Rond]

Well since i'm still thinking about my build i don't want to post alot about it,
For the moment i have 2/3 enchantment and 1/3 restoration ,
This manly because i've been main healer till i got to instances like blackrock depths and higher just because couldn't keep up with the dam the tank took. (sry for grammar but its late and I've always been bad at langueges)


But othe question since there are quiet alot of lvl 60 shamans around i don't see anyone with shoulders of elements or breastplate of elements while i allready saw 3 mage breastplates fall at last bos in upper spire and one valor , my question is it that rare or is alliance just unlucky to get all the drops from it(shoulders should drop about 10-15% from glyth , never seen it fall) so if anyone seen it allready just post don't matter if your alliance or not , just want to run around with it because it seems so rare.

Thx in advance,

Ah and btw if admin reads this nice idea this forum could be nice to plan some good raid against alliance and horde whitout corpse camping ect.
And also even lvls no 10 lvl 40-47 vs 1-2 lvl 60 .. good for for low lvl but high lvl doesn't get HK from it ...

This prolly shouldn't all be posted here but since I'm tired I don't feel like making another post ... damn and I keep going ... not normal btw .. ah well I'm off gn cya on server , hope in good times.

[Zephyr]

Just wondering..... is there an addon for shamans that allows us to see what totems we've already put down by lighting up the button on the action bar or something? Just a thought - that'd be quite useful :)

[Deadwish]

Ah and btw if admin reads this nice idea this forum could be nice to plan some good raid against alliance and horde whitout corpse camping ect.
And also even lvls no 10 lvl 40-47 vs 1-2 lvl 60 .. good for for low lvl but high lvl doesn't get HK from it ...

This prolly shouldn't all be posted here but since I'm tired I don't feel like making another post ... damn and I keep going ... not normal btw .. ah well I'm off gn cya on server , hope in good times.


just like the battle around refuge point in Arati last sundaynight Rond?

Great fun out there!

[Rond]

Just wondering..... is there an addon for shamans that allows us to see what totems we've already put down by lighting up the button on the action bar or something? Just a thought - that'd be quite useful :)

No idea but yeah usally we whisp to eatch other if it happens to be more than one shaman in the group .. but would be handy indeed .. and totem stomper is handy addon to only bad thing is it doesn't put them auto if you press button 3 times like said by cosmos ... really hate the fact that you have 3-4 sec time lost to place totems sometimes you really need the time to heal or get argo ... and totems in pvp only good for duel since you never stand on the same place for a long time in massive the radius is just to low while they really add too shamans strengt dno what you think about it but would love to have a nearly impossible lvl 60 quest to increase raduis 2 times it is now (only for benificale totems not attacking) would be alot better for massive pvp and shamans would be better against the alliance since they have to give up alot of their power now ...

[Kerde]

To get a nice overview over my current totems I use TotemTimers. Pretty simple really, dispays the totems out and how long they have left. It's availible at: http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=426

[Zephyr]

Fantastic, thanks Kerde - I'll try it out later on today and see how it goes.

[Kerde]

Oh, np at all. And while you're at it. You might want to check out Totembar. I don't have a URL ready though. I'll check if I can find it and post it a bit later.

[Hallian]

Hello fellow Shammies.

I just downloaded this Totemtimer addon, but I can't say I love it to be honest. If I place a totem the icons get in front of the hostile deceases, poisons and curses that were casted on me, and I can't see what they exactly are. I have to select myself first and check under my mugshot =).

Also the Totembar (http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=22) is a bit unhandy. It only appears when you're pressing shift, and if you click wrong the totems are changed from they place in the bar.. quite annoying if you ask me.

So far I haven't seen a good totem tool for us shammies.

Greetz, Hall.

Ps, my talents build for the interested:

Elemental - 11 Talent Points

Concussion - 5/5
Convection - 5/5
Elemental Focus - 1/1

Enhancement - 24 Talent Points

Ancestral Knowlage - 5/5
Thundering Strikes - 5/5
Improved Ghost Wolf - 2/2
Improved Lightning Shield - 3/3
Two-handed Axes and Maces - 1/1
Flurry - 5/5
Parry - 1/1
Improved Windfury Weapon - 2/2

Restoration - 16 Talent Points

Tidal Focus - 5/5
Totemic Focus - 5/5
Combat Endurance - 1/1
Improved Lesser Healing Wave - 5/5

[Groblutsnak]

Hmm if I were you I would drop either a few enchantment or all elemental and get the NS. It's a lifesaver, I can't count how many times it saved my ass (or asses of my group).

My build:

Elemental Combat Talents (0 points)

# None


Enhancement Talents (19 points)

# Ancestral Knowledge - 5/5 points
Increases your maximum Mana by 5%.

# Thundering Strikes - 5/5 points
Improves your chance to get a critical strike with your weapon attacks by 5%.

# Improved Ghost Wolf - 2/2 points
Reduces the cast time of your Ghost Wolf spell by 2 second.

# Improved Lightning Shield - 3/3 points
Increases the damage done by your Lightning Shield orbs by 15%.

# Two-Handed Axes and Maces - 1/1 point
Allows you to use Two-Handed Axes and Two-Handed Maces.

# Flurry - 3/5 points
Increases your attack speed by 20% for your next 3 swings after dealing a critical strike.



Restoration Talents (32 points)

# Tidal Focus - 5/5 points
Reduces the Mana cost of your healing spells by 5%.

# Totemic Focus - 5/5 points
Reduces the Mana cost of your totems by 10%.

# Improved Lesser Healing Wave - 5/5 points
Gives you a 75% chance to avoid interruption caused by damage while casting Lesser Healing Wave.

# Eventide - 5/5 points
Increases the duration of your Healing Stream and Mana Spring totems by 15%.

# Tidal Mastery - 5/5 points
Increases the critical effect chance of your healing and Nature damage spells by 5%.

# Nature's Swiftness - 1/1 point
When activated, your next Nature spell with a casting time less than 10 seconds becomes an instant cast spell.

# Improved Mana Spring Totem - 5/5 points
Increases the effect of your Mana Spring Totem by 25%.

# Mana Tide Totem - 1/1 point
Summons a Mana Tide Totem with 5 health at the feet of the caster for 12 seconds that restores 140 mana every 3 seconds to group members within 20 yards.

[Kerde]

Hello fellow Shammies.

I just downloaded this Totemtimer addon, but I can't say I love it to be honest. If I place a totem the icons get in front of the hostile deceases, poisons and curses that were casted on me, and I can't see what they exactly are. I have to select myself first and check under my mugshot =).

Also the Totembar (http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=22) is a bit unhandy. It only appears when you're pressing shift, and if you click wrong the totems are changed from they place in the bar.. quite annoying if you ask me.

So far I haven't seen a good totem tool for us shammies.

Greetz, Hall.

Ps, my talents build for the interested:

Elemental - 11 Talent Points

Concussion - 5/5
Convection - 5/5
Elemental Focus - 1/1

Enhancement - 24 Talent Points

Ancestral Knowlage - 5/5
Thundering Strikes - 5/5
Improved Ghost Wolf - 2/2
Improved Lightning Shield - 3/3
Two-handed Axes and Maces - 1/1
Flurry - 5/5
Parry - 1/1
Improved Windfury Weapon - 2/2

Restoration - 16 Talent Points

Tidal Focus - 5/5
Totemic Focus - 5/5
Combat Endurance - 1/1
Improved Lesser Healing Wave - 5/5

I have to agree with Groblut. NS is the one skill in the restoration tree that's worth anything, and a lifesaver. Otherwise It's sort of a nice build, pretty similiar to my own.

And about totemtimers, You should be able to move the icons around so that they dont get in the way. As for Totembar, yeah I know. It's not that handy, I place all my frequently used totems in the regular hotbar, and use totembar to get others as the need arises. Better than flipping pages in the book IMO.

[corwyx]

Resto to NS, rest in Enhance.

A good little talent to be sure =) [NS that is :]

[Zephyr]

Agreed, NS is the best talent we have period. But I think the enhancement tree is overrated - elemental swiftness is a veery nice spell, well worth the 11 point investment in elemental, especially when soloing and in PvP.

Combat Endurance however is one of our worst talents, it looks good on paper but if you just think about it for a second you'll realise what a pitiful amount of health it actually recovers - 10 percent of your normal regeneration? Unless you're going for veery high +spi, this isn't worth it - chuck in an extra 0.4 sec cooldown on shocks instead.

[Silv]

You've got annoyingly useful thingys in bgs.

[Zephyr]

So have you - two daggers :wink:

[Silv]

One dagger and two swords ;)

[Zephyr]

Aha, that's the secret - Silv has 3 arms! :P

[Kerde]

One dagger and two swords ;)
FFS, Nerf Silv! :shock:

BTW guys. Shaman tactics in WARsong/alterac? Anything Unique?

In alterac I mainly try to join the little skirmish groups, mostly because I dont feel that shammies are quite 100% used in tha classic Braveheart line up.

In warsong. Well, I guess that depends on builds and such. Personally, I'm a defender. From todays horrible battle at least. ONe tip though, most of you prolly know this already: Plant the Poison totem ffs. Saves a lot of grief from the Silv/Gigamo/dukey/sonter/EvilGuyNr.xxx. :cry:

[corwyx]

Having remove poison on your hotbar is better I've found as there are other better totems I keep.

I wish there was a way to have both the agi and the grounding totem! =)

[corwyx]

The warlock thread have 5 times our posts.
Thats just sad. We need to be more active too.


As for the role of Shamans.. yes we're good at defence.

With a bit of preperation we're not bad flagtakers either.
Although a good druid is better.
But very few druids is good, so... ;)

[Maska]

:roll: last night was a bad example ;)

[corwyx]

:roll: last night was a bad example ;)

Hehe. Well can't really expect more from a 5 man team in BRD when the team is completly new to eachother and the group havn't spent some time to go over tactics first.

Having spent 15 mins to go over what each should do, and having another level or two on the two of you with the lower levels... I think everything would have gone just fine.

Just need to be careful of that unneccesary Adds and "Aggro from Afar" =)

[corwyx]

Was a bit overall slow yesterday too.
While only being secondary healer, I could have been doing it much better... but I kept forgetting I had NS 8)

Oh well =)

[Aries]

I bet you had a blast at the Lycaeum (sp?) :twisted: :twisted:

[Zephyr]

The warlock thread have 5 times our posts.
Thats just sad. We need to be more active too.
Hmm, let's think.
Who on this forum is a warlock.
Who on this forum is an alliance warlock.
Who on this forum is an alliance warlock with over 550 posts?

Answer is, we need a Shaman spammer. I nominate corwyx. Spam, corwyx, spam! :wink:

[Maska]

I bet you had a blast at the Lycaeum (sp?) :twisted: :twisted:

Who? Hell we didnt get that far :P

Admitedly me and cor we're not really with it :D 1st time i've quested with cor and my warrior guildie really needs to start using a shield :roll:

[Aries]

[helping shamans with the quantity of posts :P]

Maybe your warrior guildie might also want to respecc to Prot? :D

By the number of warriors not able to tank, it's really starting to seem to me tanking is the most difficult job to learn...


Speaking of BRD, I don't think I'll ever go there again in the near future, after having done the Onyxia key chain BRD part twice yesterday :shock: :shock: http://www.bite.lt/plius/bendravimas/i/xsmiles/pavarges.gif

[Maska]

He has been pretty good, but i just noticed in BRD i was healing him a lot more than i usually do, and Magain seemed to be aggroing a fair bit which was causing me problems, as Druids arent the best at healing the squishy classes. So i might need to nag him to practices with his shield more ;)

But it was a learning experience, give me a few levels i'll be back ;)

Anyway back on to topic :D

I was pleasantly surprised at how good of backup healer a shaman can be, you guys seem to have a nice set of spells :)

[Hallian]

Due to the positive response about Nature's Swiftness, I'm thinking about respeccing.
I do want to keep my Enhancement specs, so I came up with this one.

Restoration Mastery - 23

Tidal Focus - 5/5
Improved Reincarnation - 2/2
Totemic Focus - 5/5
Improved Lesser Healing Wave - 5/5
Tidal Mastery - 5/5
Nature's Swiftness - 1/1

Enhancement Mastery - 23

Ancestral Knowledge - 5/5
Thundering Strikes - 5/5
Improved Ghost Wolf - 2/2
Improved Lightning Shield - 3/3
Two-Handed Axes and Maces - 1/1
Flurry - 4/5
Parry - 1/1
Improved Windfury Weapon - 2/2

Total Points Spent: 46
Level Required: 55

It's just the last five points I can't place, any ideas? And what about the rest of the build?

Tnx in advance,

Hall.

[Kerde]

Due to the positive response about Nature's Swiftness, I'm thinking about respeccing.
I do want to keep my Enhancement specs, so I came up with this one.

Restoration Mastery - 23

Tidal Focus - 5/5
Improved Reincarnation - 2/2
Totemic Focus - 5/5
Improved Lesser Healing Wave - 5/5
Tidal Mastery - 5/5
Nature's Swiftness - 1/1

Enhancement Mastery - 23

Ancestral Knowledge - 5/5
Thundering Strikes - 5/5
Improved Ghost Wolf - 2/2
Improved Lightning Shield - 3/3
Two-Handed Axes and Maces - 1/1
Flurry - 4/5
Parry - 1/1
Improved Windfury Weapon - 2/2

Total Points Spent: 46
Level Required: 55

It's just the last five points I can't place, any ideas? And what about the rest of the build?

Tnx in advance,

Hall.

Well, tht's basically the build I'm running atm. The last five points I have in ancestral healing...It's called that right? Anyways, since im healing specced and my heals actually crit often, +25% armor isnt that bad of a surprise at all.

Some people might argue you want to improve your shocks with those last five though, and really, It's a matter of taste I think.

[Hallian]

Ok tnx for your response, I have been using a build with mana tide totem for a few days now but I think the one I last posted will suit me best. The last five points will probably end up in +5% Shock Damage.

Tnx again,

Hall

[Hallian]

Have you guys seen the new Earthfury art yet?

Drool this:

http://img171.echo.cx/img171/3712/earthfury12yn.jpg

*Drools all over his keyboard*

Looks frikkin amazing doesn't it!? :twisted:

[corwyx]

Oooh. Nice. Finally looks kewl again.

FFS. I want my Ten STorms Set!

[Rond]

OMg i want it !!! damn would love to look like that ... my build 28 enchantment 5 +- wated 23 restoration .

[Rond]

we shamans should once do ubrs with only shamans look how it goes .. :p

only problem will be the last boss (real problem) his gaurds kill us in one mortal strike + some blows ... "mortal stirke hits you for 3805 dam" omg what where they thinking ... seems warrior needed some use :p

[Heeties]

Earthfury looks damn nice indeed . i want that set sooo bad :P

yeh rond lets do that lets go just the 2 of us :roll: ow and let's take Berzx with us for a bit healing :roll:

[Kharajo]

http://quidel.home.comcast.net/whine.gif

[Lyara]

You know i'd pick the other option every single time!

Lya

[Hildaa]

we shamans should once do ubrs with only shamans look how it goes .. :p

only problem will be the last boss (real problem) his gaurds kill us in one mortal strike + some blows ... "mortal stirke hits you for 3805 dam" omg what where they thinking ... seems warrior needed some use :p

Reincarnation ftw. :P

Honestly, 15 shamans mopping up UBRS? Drakkisath would runaway and hide.

[Deadwish]

that would be a funny sight! :lol:

I think 15 druids or pallies can do the job aswell...won't be easy tho.

[Lyara]

15 priests ftw!

Lya

[Hildaa]

13 Warriors though? :wink:

[Hallian]

10 Hallians? :twisted:

[Lyara]

12 priests and 3 warriors. Lol!

Lya

[Zephyr]

I can't resist posting this. The earthfury set just got an update on looks. From making you look like a rather large overcooked lobster:
http://wow.allakhazam.com/images/fashion/loginearthfurysmall1wj.jpg
It now looks like this:
http://wow.allakhazam.com/images/fashion/earthfury12yn.jpg
me want, me want!

[Circe]

Damn, that is one evil looking cow...still huggable.

[Hallian]

Posted thesame picture on the previous page :wink: sure is an upgrade in graphics!

/edit: Nerf cows, they get all the gnome hugs. Last super-cute female gnome I hugged killed my cousin.

:evil:

[Rond]

we love gnome like doll to us and we like big flufy tedybears for them :)

no picture yet from ten storms :'( BwL was bugged anyway sowill take some time for the ragnaros farming us guilds :p

[Kerde]

we love gnome like doll to us and we like big flufy tedybears for them :)

no picture yet from ten storms :'( BwL was bugged anyway sowill take some time for the ragnaros farming us guilds :p

The -All shaman- Us farming guilds ofc. :wink:

[Hallian]

Man oh man look at the stats on this set;

The Earthfury (http://www.thottbot.com/?set=207)

127 - Stamina
148 - Intellect
112 - Spirit

34 - Fire Resistance
24 - Shadow Resistance

2427 - Armor

The set gives these bonuses as more pieces are worn:

3: The radius of your totems that affect friendly targets is increased by 10 yd.
5: After casting your Healing Wave or Lesser Healing Wave spell, gives you a 25% chance to gain Mana equal to 35% of the base cost of the spell.
8: Your Healing Wave will now jump to additional nearby targets. Each jump reduces the effectiveness of the heal by 80%, and the spell will jump to up to two additional targets.

Sick :twisted:

[Zephyr]

5 set bonus is sweeeeet.... mana regen. Whoa.

[SwitchBlade]

ermm i have a small shaman around level 26 or something and from what i think is Enhacement tree is kinda useless, "either you max it or you leave it" type of talent-tree. +5% more mana isnt helpfull at all, 5 talent points that can go into something else. I suggest ele/res built, (better spellcaster crapper melee). My suggestion anyway. I do have a ton of cloth equipment that give tons of +int on him tho, level 24 and had 900 mana, level 26 and have 2.4k mana (switched almost all my equipment to int cloth )

[Groblutsnak]

Caster shaman in cloth just won't work because of lower mp/level than other caster classes. Enchantment Tree has the windfury-thundering strikes-flurry combo which gives a massive DPS bonus.

[Lyara]

Hey thats a nice Lobster look, i bet its tasty.

Lya

[Zephyr]

Enhancement tree isn't really all that bad. Imp Ghost Wolf is great, especially for pvp, as is imp lightning shield - 5% crit chance talent is even better.

[Hallian]

I have an Enhancement / Restoration build. I have tried more then one and the respeccing will cost me 30g allready. From all builds I have chosen this one for the endurance and coverage of both pvp and pve.

The Nature's Swiftness I get from my restoration has saved my life more times then I can remember, and improved windfury gives quite some nice burst on a two-hander. At the moment I am saving for an Arcanite Reaper, both because of the Attack power bonus and the +5 axe skill I get as an Orc. The lack of armor is covered by the restoration power. This combination of talents gives the best results in PvP, providing high endurance (melee does not cost mana, elemental does!) and damage output.

As for PvE (High end instances and Questing mainly in groups) I find myself doing quite some damage and I can manage to keep a group alive healing. For the bigger goals such as MC and Blackwing I will probably respec to 100% Restoration, mana tide seems to be a must-have.

Eitherway, I guess it all comes down to your personal play style, but from all the builds I have tried, this is definately the best for me.

/edit: Check out this movie (http://files.filefront.com/Revenge_of_the_Windfury_Movie/;3903501;;/fileinfo.html) to get an idea of the damage a good Enhancement Shaman can do.
- I doubt Elemental can beat that, and if it could, it would drain too much healing mana anyway.

//edit: We still need a good Enhancement armor set though! :cry:

[SWarkof]

[snip]

Nerf shaman art

[Rond]

gotaa hate the epic sets are for ellemental/estoration shamans. No str or agil to see in it.
Should have some alternative, we can choose from 3 builds so we should be able to get equip to maximize them all.

[Bobson]

the banana is overpowered. clearly.

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/3905/shamanshoulders7cj.jpg

[Nasgath]

lmao. Omg nooooooo! Not the banana! *hides in fear of the banana*

[Bobson]

wellll thats the overpoweredness you get if you wear the elements shoulders.

[Nasgath]

Explains why I see some hunters on alliance side with it too o.o

[Hallian]

Oooon second thought!

Now TerraDominus has started to do MC, I have respecced to a more-like Restoration build, including NS, Mana Tide and Purification.

(Alakhazam profile including talent build (http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?237333))

With my current equipment I am able to heal over 15k damage unbuffed, with buffs I reach about 20k. The problem with Enhancement Shamans is the lack of specialisation, maxed power in a specified position. At least, that's the way I see it now. Shamans are hybrids, meaning they can do a bit of everything, but being a magic orientated hybrid does push us in a direction, and I think a lot of Shamans are missing that point (guess it's a bit like Paladins rolling on Valor armor to get some dps), but I'll try to explain my view on things here.

Enhancement means melee, and melee means Windfury. The problem with this buff is that it either pulls way too much aggro to keep a controlled fight in MC, which quite some times means a wipe, or the buff hardly every makes a process making Shamans little value of having in the group. Healing Shamans, on the other hand, are both capable of keeping a (lower aggro) group alive, ánd do some damage if needed. This seems to be working way better then the other way around. Finally, Elemental Shamans have a hard time keeping up because their mana drains too fast, ending up with a low-damage output and no chance of healing.

I do have to say, with my Restoration build it allmost looks like I'm doing just as much damage as with the enhancement build. The improved windfury might give 22% extra attack power on the extra attacks, but even without this one I still hit for 1600+ on a good proc, and the little loss of power is made up easely with the extra healing power. So pvp combat does not have to be a problem with a restoration build! The idea that kept me going Enhancement..

First being an Enhancement-addict, I like this restoration thing even better. All my equipment is healing based, and I'm still able to do high damage with a nice two-hander. And after all, we're not ment to be warriors anyway. This is way more effective.

Please respond, would like to know what my fellow Shammies think :)

[Maska]

i'm intrested, how are you doing compared to Druids? (resto spec)

forgive spelling...i've had a few ;)

this is just MC btw, nothing else :D just wonder what role each class plays

[Rond]

i'm intrested, how are you doing compared to Druids? (resto spec)

forgive spelling...i've had a few ;)

this is just MC btw, nothing else :D just wonder what role each class plays
shaman got flash heal and the second one of priest druid got insta hot and heal+hot and the largest heal from priest. We got some mana regen totem(aoe :)). You got some spell that works on on player(can be wasted at warrior hehehehe). don't know the full talent tree of druid and since i don't have a druid doesn't really matter now does it? :P

Ah and both skills for mana regen are talents.

[Maska]

i'm intrested, how are you doing compared to Druids? (resto spec)

forgive spelling...i've had a few ;)

this is just MC btw, nothing else :D just wonder what role each class plays
shaman got flash heal and the second one of priest druid got insta hot and heal+hot and the largest heal from priest. We got some mana regen totem(aoe :)). You got some spell that works on on player(can be wasted at warrior hehehehe). don't know the full talent tree of druid and since i don't have a druid doesn't really matter now does it? :P

Ah and both skills for mana regen are talents.

hmm think you mean innvernate, give a massive mana regen....and yes i have cast it on warriors :roll:

[Megana]

/wave at everybody

Having fun trying out my new shaman, and found reading this thread helpful. Based on my experience so far and with my druid alt, I'm currently planning on a 11/19/21 build - that gives me:

* Decent shocks with Elemental Focus to make my mana go further in PvP

* Ability to swing a big, nasty two handed axe

* 4 points in Flurry for said big, nasty axe

* Iimproved Ghost Wolf, seems to be recommended for PvP

* Decent heals

* Nature's Swiftness

Full build to be found at http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/shaman/talents.html?050050100000000500520012400000000005050005050100

I'm getting the impression here and on the official shaman forum that mana tide totem is nice to have for raid instances but far from essential - anyone care to confirm or deny this? If I had to go mana tide, it would mean either downgrading my shock power or kissing goodbye to my big, nasty axe :/

[Rond]

I'm getting the impression here and on the official shaman forum that mana tide totem is nice to have for raid instances but far from essential - anyone care to confirm or deny this? If I had to go mana tide, it would mean either downgrading my shock power or kissing goodbye to my big, nasty axe :/

Well extra mana is nice for all in the party that need mana and are in range.

But the talent points to gt there are a waste imo. It seems they going to make it better(mana tide), but no idea when. But yup the way you spec it eally gimps your othe stuff if you go for mana tide(shock ever 5 sec is really nice in pvp(don't have it myself anymore), 2 handed WF is really nice in pvp).

[Kerde]

I havent been using Mana Tide for that long, and as Rond say, the alternative cost of getting it is heavy. There's a lot of good stuff wasted, Elemental mastaery, Flurry and the like. Mana Tide is excellent, I like it. But it's suited for a very specific role of the shaman, some might call it gimped.

Mana Tide is a waste until you hit 60 and got your regular instances made (UBRS, SCholo...so on). It's in the later scenes that MT gives it's true value. BEfore that, I would never forfeit Flurry and Improved WF (my previous build) for MT.

Shaman is multi purpose, it's not a straight healing class and never will be, but even with my MT i pack a punch and i put some points in Enhanc. so I get to use my 2hander. Even if the smart build would be to go Elemental, since you could then focus on int gear for both damage and heals. I just cant let go of my hard earned Hammer of the titans though :D

So basically MT is great, and its expensive, but its highly end game. It's mostly for support in end game where your primary ojective is to deliver straight HP healing and totem support.

Never ever go Mana Tide before you start running instances as a pure support class, it gimps your DPS. When you start running instances as a healer and buffer, thats when mana tide is good.

EDIT: I know I went kinda long in this post but I do want to make the point that Nature's Swiftness from Resto is a must, so dont be afraid to spend points in that tree. The choice between elemental and enhancement is very much personal and up to you. I went enh. but that's just because I still smile when I think of the 2500 WF proc I got against casters :P

[Spottbroder]

*corrects his Shammydisguise* I made a 678 crit once! no, its true. yeah, uh.. with rava..*cough* breezeanger. ill use the poltergeistcat out of here now. cya.. :roll:

[Hallian]

Dear fellow Shammies,

I will soon be completing the Above and Beyond (http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?wquest=5263) quest, and since I allready have an epic shield I'm gonna go for the Argent Crusader (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=19796). I think we all agree that this is one of the best healing weapons out there.

But, on a run to Stratholme Living Balnazzar was kind enough to drop the Hammer of the Grand Crusader (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=37263) for me, when not having any druids around. I won't be dropping my two-handers talent any time soon so no worries there. I have a +20 Spirit enchant on this weapon.

Now, my question to you overpowered dudes here, which of the two weapons will serve me best in Molten Core and other end-game instances? The staff is a bit better in healing stats, but doesn't have the +healing proc. The hammer has a bit more damage, but less intellect on it and not worth replacing with the +22 Intellect enchant..

Help meh mateys!

Hallian

[Zephyr]

I'd go for the hammer. It doesn't have quite as much int, but it does have +healing, so I think it's better for that reason. Lucky bastard tho :)

[Patris]

I know I'm not a shaman but go with the hammer.

The Increases healing done by spells and effects by up to 22 on it is not a proc but a "on equip" so imho that would be way better.

[Spottbroder]

I have it, so does Zolimahr. it owns i tell you.

(the hammer)

would like a +int on that one :D

[Hallian]

Thanks for your response on my previous question, I have another few for ya.

As advised I am using the Hammer of the Grand Crusader (http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=18717) for my healing duties at the moment. It has a +20 Spirit Enchant on it now. The +healing thing is quite nice, but how would the Argent Crusader (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=19796) do with a Healing Power Enchant (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=37589) on it? Would it beat the hammer? And is the +20 Spirit enchant worth replacing with the Healing Power one?

And second, for my Arcanite Reaper (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=14268), should I get the Crusader Enchant or the +15 Agility one which gives me 0,75% to crit and a bunch of dodge chance?

Share your knowlage, oh mighty Shamans!

[McDark]

And second, for my Arcanite Reaper (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=14268), should I get the Crusader Enchant or the +15 Agility one which gives me 0,75% to crit and a bunch of dodge chance?
If you don't have Flurry, Crusader all the way. The proc will stick just over 50 damage to each swing with a Reaper, which is amplified somewhat by Windfury.

With Flurry...the Agi enchant is definitely a contender. I personally stick with Crusader for the brutality and better look, but more crits never hurt anyone.

As an aside, consider a Steel Weapon Chain as an alternative, unless you have some shiny Disarm-immune gloves. Shaman + glowing Reaper = fun time. :D

[Hallian]

Allright, I got the Crusader on my reaper and I have to say I love it. Especially if I wear the right cloak and trinket, the 75-150 heal Crusader does is also boosted by +healing spells and effects. With a total of +83 to healing spells and effects I found myself getting healed for around 200 damage, and it also seems to cast on the extra windfury attacks.

Definately a good choice of enchant if you are a Shammy.

http://www.tweakzone.nl/f/g/8641wEv8ND6d.jpg

/edit: Screenie

Hall

[Spottbroder]

Say NO to Comic Sans MS!!1 :frown:

[sildiara]

http://bancomicsans.com/ !!!

[Hallian]

Argh! Any other suggestions for a clear font instead of Comic Sans?

[Silv]

I don't mind the concept of a shaman in general, but all those nifty gadgets that come along make 'em feel better than other classes such as ability to ressurect themselves instantly, a travel form and waterwalking (not 100% sure if this actually is a shaman ability).

Wonder if they'd be so bad without those few abilities. Kinda removes the unique feel of a warlock soulstone and the travel form for druids.

[Silv]

Argh! Any other suggestions for a clear font instead of Comic Sans?

I took Ariel, Times New Roman or some ordinary one like that when the "NerfF Comic Sanz!1!!" cries got too loud. ;)

[Rond]

Argh! Any other suggestions for a clear font instead of Comic Sans?

Keep it why care about it? You can choose what you use, ask money if they want it changed that badly.

[Zephyr]

I was just browsing the shammie sets for zul'gurub when I noticed something that may mean the return of the "Nerf shaman!!11" posts (not that they ever stopped....)

http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=476

3 pieces: "Improves the duration of your frost shock spell by 1 sec"

:D

btw, the 3 items up at the mo are at
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19830
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19829
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19828

The hauberk especially looks very nice indeed. Less good than Earthfury but better than Elements. Which is what it's supposed to be.

[Swanvesta]

/cry.....so shaman get a spell that takes 6 seconds to cast and lasts 8 seconds, and will now get an extra second????? BUUUUUUUUUHUHUHUHUHUHHUHUHUH =[

Sorry if this turns into a rant, but the hybrid characters in this game are totally overpowered whatever anyone says. A guy that can alreaddy outheal a healer, out damage a ranger and generally out usefulness any other char......and thats not even getting on to druid who can shappeshift out of DoTtedness......

One more moan....why are most of the PvP rewards anywhere Clases: Hunter/Shaman ? Thats just a kick in the balls =[

/end cry, rant.

g/l with the gear

[Silv]

Classes: Rogue, Druid.

Won?The war for the gear...Has just begun...Arm yourselves! ")

[Hallian]

Swan.

I don't out-heal a priest or druid.
I don't out-damage a rogue or hunter.
I don't out-whatever other classes in what they do.

Especially not at thesame time. ;)

[kerttu]

Im sad, I respecced to get mana tide just some days ago, then started to train up my weapon skills for my 2h maces..boring work...I miss my flurry and that extra power in WF =( Then I got http://www.thottbot.com/?i=51337 in ZG, wich is much better than what I had..But then I had to train up my 2h axe skill from 5-305, real boring......I dont know the point of this post but its something like, I really like my new axe but Im miss my enhanc talents =(


and stop with the nerf ranting, or Ill kick your ass

[Maska]

and thats not even getting on to druid who can shappeshift out of DoTtedness......


since when can i shift out of DoT's :rolleyes:

[Votan]

since when can i shift out of DoT's :rolleyes:

When you shift from cat to bear mode >.<

[Maska]

Hmm, doesnt work for DoT's thu ;)

warlock ones for eg....just snares work

[Votan]

I wasn't talking about the Damge-Over-Time DoTs ;)

Damn you killed me bad word joke :'(

[Hallian]

Dr00d consparicy invading Shaman forum. Must defend honorable grounds.

* GRABS REAPER *

[Votan]

Dr00d consparicy invading Shaman forum. Must defend honorable grounds.

* GRABS REAPER *

*Hunts for patch 1.8* ;)

[stroodle]

When you shift from cat to bear mode >.<


cant shift out of dots, only movement impairing effects

[Kerde]

Imba dr00ds, nerf dr00ds

[Zephyr]

Sorry to drag this topic back to builds, but I think I need to respec to mana tide totem, since it just seems to uber for end-game PvE to do anything else. :)

So... I'm stuck between going for purification (10% more on healing spells) or 2 more points in thundering strikes and 3 in flurry. Not really sure which would be more helpful - I tend to like to go in and swing a few times at the enemy, rather than acting like a "pure" healer and standing at the back and waiting until someone starts to die. Then again, 10% more healing is a lot.

Help!

[Hallian]

If you are going to spec for Molten Core you might as well go all the way.
You have to give you up your high damage outburst addiction..

You can find my build here (http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/shaman/talents.html?000000000000000500520010000000000005005515055151). As you see I don't have anything past two-hand weapon talents, but I can still do this (http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=highesttriplecrit9ns.jpg).

But I stick with what I've said, either go PvE, or go PvP.
For a Shaman there's no road in between.

[Kerde]

Um running the same build as Hallian roughly, though Ive chosen ancestral healing over totemic focus, TBH you dont save that much mana and usually totems get stomped well in advance so you can drink it up. Anyhow, 25% armor bonus to a tank isnt bad at all, and with the number of crits i get, fairly often, Its a nice bonus.

Small details aside Hallian does have a point, we can hit shit in MC, sure. But we cant go in swinging a 2hander and hoping to top the damage meter. We're support, healers, totem even sometimes a bit of an offtank, but we're never big damage dealers.

[Lyara]

Was wondering, does your +25% armour proc from crit heal stack with the priests one? That'd be cool! :p

Lya

[Zephyr]

Ok, full gimped MC spec it is. Thanks guys.

Think I'll take totemic focus over 25% armour though... considering the more armour you have the less each point affects your ability to absorb damage, I don't think it's that big a deal. However, I know I use totems every fight.

Think it's going to end up as something like this (http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/shaman/talents.html?000000000000000500323010000000000005005505055151)... any further thoughts? I saw that you took thundering strikes instead of imp lightning shield, but I dont really see the point of +crit if you're not going for flurry. Just a little bit of extra dps I suppose.

Cheers again,

Zeph

[McDark]

Think I'll take totemic focus over 25% armour though... considering the more armour you have the less each point affects your ability to absorb damage, I don't think it's that big a deal. However, I know I use totems every fight.

Just a quick note (before I get Frost Shocked) - although listed damage mitigation from armour scales diminishes at higher levels, each extra percent of mitigation is more effective from the last. Example:

0% -> 1% reduces previously-unmitigated damage by 1% (1:1 ratio);
50% -> 51% = 2%;
98% -> 99% = 50%;

Don't let the tail-off in listed mitigation fool you - the bonus from Inspiration is solid.

[Kerde]

Lighningshield is evil, jsut get heavier for the tank to take aggro off you once a mob slips and hit you. The extra secs the tank has to spend to drag that flamewalker off you usually means youre dead. I went with the crit because the times I do go up and hit shit, when its safe to do so, I rather have a higher DPS. But all this is really a matter of taste, Imp light. is cheap dmg and GW isnt all bad either

Anyhow, its a question of taste, and Lyara, yes I do believe they stack. Cant be sure though. Sure I stomp totems alot, but I dont feel The stomping eats too much mana as it is, sure, 10% on standard totem stomps gives you what, 150 mana? I rather hit my tank with some extra armour

[Aries]

how on earth can a shaman get aggro from a tank if there's a lock around? :P (ok or a mage or rogue ;))

[Kerde]

Well, I usually get to play the role of totem caddy, means Im standing right next to the MT, and well, if it slips, Im the closest softie. And MC mobs plain dont like me

[Tench]

NERF Shamans!

[Kerde]

No Azguz that is just Telic

[Tench]

No Azguz that is just Telic

Well well...NERF Telic *leaves thread before he gets frost shocked*

[Tiberian]

NERF Shamans!

Nah Blizzard feels they need more buffing. Clearly an underpowered class.

[McDark]

<CT_Raid>The Blessing of Wisdom buff is about to expire. Please tab back from the forums to your MC raid and use your buff macro. Cya in a few secs. =)

[Kerde]

Nah Blizzard feels they need more buffing. Clearly an underpowered class.

Yes. Yes. Yes. I reckon we should have flying wolf form.

Rest assured though, Shaman have just as many stupid talent tree problems as any other class, regardless of people's feelings on it.

[Hallian]

How exactly do you mean that Kerde? I agree that our healing steam and mana spring totem are worth little to get Mana Tide in talent points, but what else is it that you're missing?

[Kerde]

How exactly do you mean that Kerde? I agree that our healing steam and mana spring totem are worth little to get Mana Tide in talent points, but what else is it that you're missing?

Well, tbh that's the main beef, having Tier 3-5 talent from eventide to manaspring there bugging me. 10 talentpoints down the drain imho.

I also have my doubts about Stormstrike, IVe been heavy Enhanc spec earlier and that ability does not deliver. And the 500 mana it costs isnt really helping me either, It's a melee talent ><. And Imp. Grounding Totem...wth? Most totem improvement in Enhanc. tree are doubtfully worth the talents. You could theoretically go for some sort of support build with improved totems all the way, but the current set up, with these talents so far in prohibits that idea......I kinda tried that one before calculators started appearing :(

The elemental tree is good though, I couldnt complain about it all, only thing would be Stoneclaw, but I guess thats useful in a solo lvling way.

Well, moving outside of the talents you have these annoying things like the nova totem. AoE designed to help take out multiple enemies while being practically useless in that situation due to immediate aggro. Funky Tremor totem that lets you run a mile. I'd pay talents for an improved tremor over mana spring for sure.

I guess I could rant and complain about pretty many abilities and so on. I do think shaman could use a SLIGHT revision indeed, fix up some old dinks here and there. Not a total rework perhaps and DEFINATELY not any new abilities, as it is Shaman are a Swiss army knife, the last thing I would want is CC, HoTs or special Melee attacks. That would just be plain silly, reading the "Problems with shaman" threads on Woweurope usually does my head in. Gotta admit CC would be nice, but IMHO shaman is more of a single target volatile dmg dealer and CC would make shamans ridiculous in PvP.

Well, Im pretty sure people disagree with much of what I got to say, this is however my own personal thoughts that Ive gotten from my own builds and playing, I could ofc be wrong. But wth. Im seriously against the idea of actually buffing shamans straight up, some revision and redirecting of talents to where they will be some better alternatives, like moving imp Mana away from being a msut to get MT, to a side option, things like that. To give me a better chance of customizing my build than to actually throw talentpoints into these sinkholes.

[Hallian]

Kerde for president.

[Zephyr]

Kerde for God.

[Aries]

Kerde for nerf

[Hallian]

Aries for cute little babelfish.

BACK ON TOPIC ALLREADY!!11

Shamans are so overpowered. Wtf nerf.

[Bobson]

one crit me for 3000 with earth shock and they have good melee and plates too. teh totumz r invincible. jus cos blizz play shamans tehy nerf paladins1!1? buff paladins tehy rock the big one!1111!!11

[Hallian]

They OWNZZ!!!11

[Tiberian]

one crit me for 3000 with earth shock and they have good melee and plates too. teh totumz r invincible. jus cos blizz play shamans tehy nerf paladins1!1? buff paladins tehy rock the big one!1111!!11

Agreed. Buff pallys!!!!1111

[Hallian]

Shamans, I'd like to know if I'm insane or just well dedicated.

Please feedback this one-

Molten Core. 40 man raid instance. High level players and organisation needed.
No dedication = No progress = No good epixxx.

I am restoration specced. All the way up to Mana Tide to be exact, you can find my build here (http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/shaman/talents.html?000000000000000500520010000000000005005515055151).
My view on Molten Core? Get some decent tactics, a well motivated team and make sure you're equipped for the job. Make yourself of best of use in there since other people are also relying on you. Respec restoration as a Shaman to be best at what you need to do in there- Healing and support. If you're gonna go Molten Core, either do it well, or don't go at all.

So tell me, with 'other Shamans' not going Restoration (no names no political issues) because they don't feel like it and wearing Agility-Crit gear for the 'damage'.. why the hell do I still bother giving my best in Molten Core anyway? Say, should I keep my build and continue my efforts to make our way to Majordomo again or should I spec to my pwnage pvp build (http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/shaman/talents.html?000000000000000550523010500102000005005015050100) again to be the roxxxor in damage dealing?

"Bleh Pffff"

Hall

[McDark]

Because you care about the guild effort, and want to be asked back to Molten Core over the vast herde of nub shamans who all spec for teh mad DPS? They are replaceable, and you get a spot in every raid, which means more epix (enhancement shammy with AR vs. MT shammy with SPINAL REAPER?)?

Because you're a lover, not a fighter? ;-)


- Blashyrkh, 17 Shaman (full Enhancement -_- )

[Hallian]

Thanks for your respone Dark.


Because you're a lover, not a fighter? ;-)
That may be a point of discussion though. :P

[Hallian]

I'm sure there are still some Shamans out there saving up for an Arcanite Reaper. I have the axe myself and it must be the sickest two-hander you can get for damage dealing. But when I checked AH yesterday I ran into this weapon, seems to be a new Silithus drop.

Crystal Spiked Maul (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=52134)

Judge for yourself, but I think this weapon is better then the Arcanite Reaper. Warriors might not have as much interest because of their +5% Axe Crit chance, but for a Shaman this is a winner.

I might be willing to sell this weapon. I have a reaper myself and I totally gave up on pvp on this server, the weapon is nice, but not as much use to me as to someone else perhaps.

If you cannot provide the materials for a reaper yourself it wÃ*ll cost you 600g on Arcanite Bars. Therefore this weapon, imo even better then the reaper will go for thesame price- 600g. The price is not negotiable, if it doesn't sell I can use the weapon myself after all.

If you are interested, send me a personal message here on the forums or contact me ingame on this name.

[Kharajo]

Kelgor sold it. He got it from 'Bag of Spoils' from the Silithus quest to hand in an Abyssal Signet. He sold it for 200g on the AH. I got nothing :sad:

[Hallian]

I'm the one who bought it. Was worth a try to sell it for 600, but since the drop is quite common I'm going to use it myself anyway. 200g was a good deal for both of us I guess. :)

[Kerde]

3,90...too slow for my taste. I hate slow weapons.

[McDark]

Best non-epic Windfury PvP weapon, by a good stretch. :)

[Hallian]

*resurrecting topic*

Shammy love. New Ahn'Qiraj set pictures.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/219/aqshamanset3ad7ox.jpg

[Bobson]

mmmmm sexy

[Kharajo]

Too bad the pic doesn't show how it looks. The shammy in the back-ground is wearing Ten-storms :o

[chow]

Ofc we all agree that "our" set (Ten-Storms) is the best looking after 1.9...no denieing that.

But what will u guys expect to change in the upcomming talent makeover....will we get imba again now they fixed all classes to not be complete chanceless against us?

for 1.9 the BoS totem will be nice ofc (especially locks will learn to love us :P)

ow...wtb +dmg gear :P (got myself a Hand of edward the odd :P)

and is evry shammie so crazy as me and has 4 diffrent sets ? Cause i got a fire, +dmg, heal and crit set (lots of combining possible for evry situation)


cmon guys i know we have like a gazillion shamans on this server but this topic is as dead as a forsaken corpsrunner :S

[Hildaa]

You have a resistance set too? Fire, frost, shadow, nature and arcane?

I do...

[Hitmehard]

You have a resistance set too? Fire, frost, shadow, nature and arcane?

I do...

I got a lingery set do you?

^_^

[Hildaa]

Moo. :P

...rules

[Jarothe]

Its nice to see a shammy set with strenght and agility on it. Almost thought blizzard had forgot the enhancement tree :lol:

[chow]

Qounni boy the new topic hijacker :P

but seriously...we shammies are hybrids and if u want to get evrything out of ur char u have to have all kinds of sets.

in heal kit i got over 7.1k mana
in melee gear i have +/- 24% to crit

i'm sure all u shammies got great kits too and i want too hear about it...or do all shammies have an "I win" like Bobson? :roll:

[Hildaa]

Um. This question popped up as I dinged my shammy to 23 earlier *cough*. What talent is the most useful? Gone down the enhancement tree, with mana, crits, improved ghost wolf and 2h axe/mace. And in a fit of desperation whilst trying to kill a certain mob (which succeeded, by the way :p ), chose improved lightning shield...

... And it seems a bit stupid now. Defense, improved blocking, or improved stoneskin totem? Or stick with those lightning bulbs? :confused:

[Kerde]

Imp LS is a pretty standard, and important part of a grind build, a very mana effective way of doing damage, and Shammies <3 mana effective.

[Hildaa]

...and Shammies <3 mana effective.

Yah. :p

Thanks. :)

[Hallian]

Talent builds!
Here are my personal favorites:

Damage

Elemental Mastery
Ranged Elemental Damage, your Alterac Valley friend.
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/shaman/talents.html?350050155010501000000000000000000005005005050000

Elemental Enhancement
Damage all the way, but no endurance whatsoever.
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/shaman/talents.html?050050155010000550523010500102000000000000000000


Endurance

Elemental Restoration
Nice combination of abilities, though high spell crit chance is a must.
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/shaman/talents.html?050050155010000500020000000000000005005015050100

Enhancement Restoration
Higher endurance, high burst damage, slightly unreliable.
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/shaman/talents.html?000000000000000550523010500102000005005015050100


Restoration

Restoration PvE Server
The famous Mana Tide Totem in a nice package.
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/shaman/talents.html?000000000000000500020000000000000005255505055151

Restoration PvP Server
Good enough for raiding, still a chance in PvP.
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/shaman/talents.html?000000000000000550520010000000000005255005050150

[Kerde]

I usually give Totemic Focus the boot though, personal tweak I guess.

[Megana]

My current build:

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/shaman/talents.html?050050100000000550500000400000000005050005050100

No mana tide, but the guild haven't barred me from MC anyway :) Nature's Swiftness is a must for shamans IMO - even if you're a PvP monster, the instant big heal or lightning is too good to pass up. After playing a Fury warrior I'm addicted to Flurry for grinding and PvP, and 11 points in Elemental (up to Elemental Focus) makes my shocks more efficient.

It's not perfect - I may shift at least some of the points out of shield specialisation to give myself 2H weapons and/or imp. lightning shield (especially with the LS love in 1.9) or I may kick my flurry habit and shift points over to elemental, but as it stands it works as an all round spec for me.

[Hallian]

So here's the deal.

I play on a PvP server now, and I liek Winfury! I wtfpwn a lot of alliance with my current build (Enhancement Restoration from previous post) and I wouldn't like to give it up. We all know Shammies heal in endgame, so I have to make up my mind about what to do.

But now I found this build right here;
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/shaman/talents.html?000000000000000500522010500102000005251015050130
All the Enhancement I need to comfort my (future) Unstoppable Force, and still quite some healing power.

I'd like to know what you think of my new creation.

Perfectly tweaked for a PvP server, or a crappy "wtfdoIwantanyway" build?

Feedback plix. :roll:

Hallian

[Hitmehard]

I say, pick up tailoring. Sew yourself a nice dress and run around with it in Ironforge yelling "Sucky Sucky 1 Dolla!".

[Aries]

:D :D An accidental popin into some boring shammy thread and Zorkos gets me laughing out loud in my office :D

for teh best reply contest!

[Hallian]

Find your own thread dr00d. You too Walrock. I need teh epix help from real Shammies!!11

[chow]

Well Hall...very few shammies who watch here apparantly...yet raids are filled with em.(wont go in the frustration of seeing n00b shammies getting loot and still dont know wich totems they have or when to put em down)

About the last build u posted:

Its nice but i still prefer the enhance/resto build u talke about earlier, especcialy on a pvp-server.

Personally i wont respec to full resto cause i would be the only shammie in raid who is....and i wont give up my pvp points to be the only sucker in the raid.

Solution to that would obvious be that u MUST have mana-tide as min req. to enter raids but i guess raidleaders at DB-horde wont go tell shammies how to play their class.

Other thing i'd like to point out is that its all about the gear...i got so many items for diffrent sets that with 1 build my role can differ from night to day.

I guess its all a discussion about a small amount of points to divide in resto/enhance.

1 thing i really would like to try out some day is full elemental with a bit of points in enhance, but i need to colect the gear first otherwise its just not worth it imo. (wannabee mage ftw !)


soz for the zig-zag storyline but i guess u get an idea what my thoughts are.

[Hallian]

Hehe, we don't have that many Shamans here.

Anyway, I know what you mean. UnitedHorde never seemed to care much about ~15% more healing power on their Shamans while I was giving up half my PvP damage just to be best of use in their raid groups back when I raided along.
Matter of priorities I guess.

The reason I like this build better is because of the extra healing power. I do play on a PvP server now but if I'm gonna go MC I'm gonna go MC, other players will be depending on me partly. I still think my group members in battle come before my own safety elsewhere.

I don't want to drop all my damage, that's why I kept the Improved Windfury. This just seemed like a very keen balance between PvP survival and end-game healing, don't ya think?

Oh and I know about those armor sets.. I used to have one for healing duties and one just for pvp.
Backwood Helm, Ogre Forged Hauberk, Warpwood Binding, Leggings of Destruction.. it took up an entire bag! ;)

[Niago]

So here's the deal.

I play on a PvP server now, and I liek Winfury! I wtfpwn a lot of alliance with my current build (Enhancement Restoration from previous post) and I wouldn't like to give it up. We all know Shammies heal in endgame, so I have to make up my mind about what to do.

But now I found this build right here;
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/shaman/talents.html?000000000000000500522010500102000005251015050130
All the Enhancement I need to comfort my (future) Unstoppable Force, and still quite some healing power.

I'd like to know what you think of my new creation.

Perfectly tweaked for a PvP server, or a crappy "wtfdoIwantanyway" build?

Feedback plix. :roll:

Hallian

After reading these forums for months I actually bothered to register (woo 1st post etc).

Anyway about your spec, 1st thing you want to do is dump Combat Endurance. 10% of your health regeneration is probably about 6 health a tic and that is not so good :)

You can also remove your random 1 point in totemic Focus and put them both into Purification to get 5/5?

You could also take those 2 points and take the ones from purification (6% wont make much difference) and improved Reincarnation (die less!) and put them into Enhance to go 30/21 although I'm not sure what talents you would take. Anyway hope that gives you something to think about

[Hallian]

After reading these forums for months I actually bothered to register (woo 1st post etc).

Anyway about your spec, 1st thing you want to do is dump Combat Endurance. 10% of your health regeneration is probably about 6 health a tic and that is not so good :)

You can also remove your random 1 point in totemic Focus and put them both into Purification to get 5/5?

You could also take those 2 points and take the ones from purification (6% wont make much difference) and improved Reincarnation (die less!) and put them into Enhance to go 30/21 although I'm not sure what talents you would take. Anyway hope that gives you something to think about
Hey Niago, welcome to the forums. :)

I guess I could dump Combat Endurance.. but the thing is I need it in order to get Purification in the first place.. Also Totemic Focus is a point I just had to spend in something to get enough for the Purification talent. There is no way of getting 5/5 Purification with 2/2 in Windfury Weapon, and thát what I don't want to give up.

I like the idea, but it's hard to build from here (http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/shaman/talents.html?000000000000000500522010500102000005050005050100).
* Would like to keep Parry, but toss it if you figure out something brilliant.

Die less, would that be cool. I am on a pvp server though. :P

Hall

[Niago]

Good point about the talents, I just looked at the tree rather than actually used the talent builder :)

I still however think, combat endurance, 1 in totemic focus and 3 in purification are a waste of talents unless you are going full resto and get the full whammy (14 enhance 37 resto here).

The only problem is from the base you posted in the above post, the talents you can spend your points on all kinda suck. I say spend the points on whatever and hope our future talent patch delivers (hopefully next one after priests).

[Kerde]

Errr... I though we were after pallies >.<

gg rerolling

[Thabull]

Hm.. why is so important with improved ghost wolf when you have NS.
Waste of talentpoints imo. By the time you encounter an enemy you'll know pretty soon if youre screwed or not >>> NS + ghostwolf ftw. Thank God blizz fixed that last patch :)
Im just giving you my newbie point of view. Only tried two builds so far. lol
Try putting two points in anticipation instead (really got no clue myself of how good/bad it is though :P)

I really hate to waste points on useless talents myself.

Thats why I had my go with a 30/0/21 build. And I really like it. Nice for pve and pvp.

[Hallian]

Good point about the talents, I just looked at the tree rather than actually used the talent builder :)

I still however think, combat endurance, 1 in totemic focus and 3 in purification are a waste of talents unless you are going full resto and get the full whammy (14 enhance 37 resto here).

The only problem is from the base you posted in the above post, the talents you can spend your points on all kinda suck. I say spend the points on whatever and hope our future talent patch delivers (hopefully next one after priests).
I know what you mean but the Enhancement base is what I would like to keep.. What's your exact build have you got Niago? Oh and you know future changes will give us a free respec in Talents eh. :)

[chow]

Oh and you know future changes will give us a free respec in Talents eh. :)

Thats what i keep in mind...and thats why i still want to try the wannabee mage elemental build

[Hallian]

Thats what i keep in mind...and thats why i still want to try the wannabee mage elemental build
I have been trying Elemental on the Test Servers now they give a full Earthfury set instead of blue Elements. Enhancement for the win still though.

Anyway, Test Servers are a great opprtunity to try different builds for free.

[chow]

I have been trying Elemental on the Test Servers now they give a full Earthfury set instead of blue Elements. Enhancement for the win still though.

Anyway, Test Servers are a great opprtunity to try different builds for free.

Tried test-servers a few times but they seem to be offline evry time i try :(

But still gotta find some more +dmg items for that build...got my deep earth spaulders for little dkp (by far the best shoulders for elemental shammie).

Shame i putted my shammie on a lower fire now....but my warrior is becoming l33t now :P

When i'm home i'l post a link to a shopping list of +dmg gear...i'm drooling over the dmg i would do with those items (and there not all BWL/MC stuff)

[chow]

elemental shaman shopping list (http://www.kolumbus.fi/ari.koivisto/elemsham.html)

As promised

[Hallian]

Hallian Burning Blade shopping list!

Hit level 60..

Max skill in all possible weapons.
300 Engineering, Gnomish.
Exalted with the Undercity.

---

Coif of Elements
Pauldrons of Elements
Vest of Elements
Bindings of Elements
Gauntlets of Elements
Cord of Elements
Boots of Elements

Star of Mysteria
Elder Magus Pendant
Drakefire Amulet

Shroud of the Exile
Hide of the Wild
Cape of the Black Baron

Rich Purple Silk Shirt
Stone Guard's Herald

Blood of the Matyr
Royal Seal of Alexis

Hammer of the Grand Crusader
Gift of the Elven Magi
Garrett Family Crest

---

Backwood Helm
Denwatcher's Shoulders
Ogre Forged Hauberk
Lordy Armguards
Gordok's Gauntlets
Warpwood Binding
Leggings of Destruction
Timmy's Galoshes

Mark of Foldring
Don Julio's Band
Painweaver Band

Blackhand's Breath
Insignia of the Horde

Arcanite Reaper
The Unstoppable Force

---

Earthfury Helmet
Earthfury Epaulets
Earthfury Vestments
Earthfury Bracers
Earthfury Gauntlets
Earthfury Belt
Earthfury Legguards
Earthfury Boots

Choker of the Fire Lord
Dragonslayer's Signet
Band of Sulfuras

2x Hyper Radiant Flame Reflector
2x Mindtap Talisman

Aurastone Hammer
Fang of the Mystics
Malistar's Defender
Finkle's Lava Dredger

---

Champion's Mail Helm
Champion's Mail Shoulders
Legionnaire's Mail Chestpiece
Legionnaire's Mail Legguards
Blood Guard's Mail Grips
Blood Guard's Mail Walkers

Warlord's Mail Helm
Warlord's Mail Spaulders
Warlord's Mail Armor
General's Mail Leggings
General's Mail Gauntlets
General's Mail Boots

High Warlord's Battle Axe
High Warlord's Pulverizer
High Warlord's Cleaver
High Warlord's Bludgeon
High Warlord's Razor
High Warlord's War Staff
High Warlord's Shield Wall

Quick Strike Ring
Defiler's Mail Girdle
Wristguards of the True Flight
Primalist's Linked Waistguard

Black War Wolf
Red Skeletal Warhorse

Spinal Reaper
Drake Talon Cleaver
Red Dragonscale Protector

...

We'll get there!

But I think I missed something..

[Hildaa]

But I think I missed something..

I saw no Sulfuras on that list. Could that be it?

[chow]

Maybe a spinal reaper ?

[Hallian]

Maybe a spinal reaper ?
Thank you.

[Hallian]

I saw no Sulfuras on that list. Could that be it?
Let's think rational ok? :P

[chow]

Maybe the hauberk from ZG too? (the rep + items q)

Best +dmg mail chestpiece on the market these days...

[Hallian]

I don't really like Zul'Gurub. Most items from MC are better and I can't be arsed to farm ZG for reputation as well. Besides, I have put together some 'perfect' sets from MC- Onyxia items I'm not doing all that calculating again.

[Aries]

Oh boy he's losing it again

[Hallian]

Oh boy he's losing it again
I wonder where those headaches keep coming from. :roll:

/edit: Grmbl, it's your Non-Wow day today. Be gone warlock!

[Aries]

sad to inform you but i still got the laptop :P

you better take those painkillers now ;)

[Hallian]

Kharajo, the list I promised you.

And ofcourse for all other Enhancement Shammies who feel left out by Blizzard and their Elemental armor sets.

Enjoy.

Backwood Helm (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=35700) *
Star of Mystaria (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=14039)
Beaststalker's Mantle (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=18268)
Shroud of the Exile (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=18376) **
Ogre Forged Hauberk (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=35970)
Whatever Shirt (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=40315)
Whatever Tabard (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=37753)
Beaststalker's Bindings (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=20102)
Beaststalker's Gloves (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=5269)
Warpwood Binding (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=35656)
Leggings of Destruction (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=35789)
Beaststalker's Boots (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=19334)

Don Julio's Band (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=40528)
Royal Seal of Alexis (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=39936) ***
Blackhand's Breadth (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=9464) ****
Insignia of the Horde (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=37122)

The Unstoppable Force (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=40529)

- - -

On an Orc (!) This armor set will give you the following stats:

Strength 115
Agility 189
Stamina 243
Intellect 176
Spirit 150
Armor 2487
Health 3530
Mana 3880 (4074 with Ancestral Knowlage)

More importantly:

Attack Power - 346
Damage - 268.9 - 385.9
Critical Chance - 20.85% (25.85% with Thundering Strikes)
Spell Crit Chance - 6.76%

(!) Strength enchants can increase your max damage significantly.
(!) More Agility enchants will increase your crit chance even more. 20 Agility is 1% crit.
(!) A Crusader enchant on TUF allways works well.

And as an Orc, you will be looking somewhat like this:

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/9991/critgear4js.jpg

- - -

* Backwood Helm is a quest reward from Dire Maul East, talk to the NPC inside, first floor. Once you have completed the quest you will be send to the libtary to collect your reward. You can find the chest under the slope to the first floor. Do not take the mace instead of this helm.

** Shroud of the Exile is a quest reward. It's a long quest chain starting with killing a lot of annoying bugs, finally leading to a quest in Heartglen. The quest line starts at Tirion Fordring (http://www.thottbot.com/?m=9847). You will have to complete the first three quests in order to get the next one, and a 5 man run to Stratholme living is required to complete this chain.

*** The Royal Seal of Alexis is a quest reward from the quest to kill Ramstein in Stratholme UD. There is a long chain before you can get this quest, and it starts at Lady Sylvanas in the Undercity, who will send you to Blightcaller in the Marris Stead, Eastern Plaguelands.

**** Blackhand's Breath is a quest reward from the Warlord's Command, better known as the Onyxia quest. You can get this quest from an NPC in Kargath, on the watch tower. This trinket is the reward from the second or third quest, where you will have to kill Rend Blackhand in upper blackrock spire.

Hope it will be of help to anyone.

Oh and one more thing.. DO NOT OUTROLL HUNTERS ON BEASTSTALKER. EVER.

Have a nice day.

Hall

[Kharajo]

<3 for Hallian.

[Groblutsnak]

Next week - Hallian, dismayed by slow endgame progress by Burning Blade guilds switches over to US servers and starts farming Illidan, one year before the expansion is released....

[Hallian]

Five or six guilds who got Nefarian on farm status on Burning Blade right now.

I think I'll find something here. :)

[Lyara]

Its'ok, if Hallian so wishes, he could solo Nefarien.

-Lyara

[Hallian]

Bump for pure pwnage. 8)

[Aries]

you were saying? 8-)

Windfury cookies plx kk?!

[Rond]

long dead threat but well,


Anyone here ever tried ss? Wanna try it but test realms aint up yet and wasting 100g if i don't like it aint good for me ;)

If you have tried what you think about it??

I've read some topics on shamn forum so wel its bugged what sux but seems it can be solved ...

[Hildaa]

SS as in soulstone? :p

Edit: d'oh. Stormstrike. Not me.

[McDark]

I had it on my 42 shammadin (long since deleted >_> ) to give it a whirl. Mixed feelings about it really...

For PvE, its only use is finishing a mob when you're bored of it and nothing is hitting. Nothing amazing though, and the mana-efficiency is horrible.

Now for PvP, I actually liked it a lot. As an Enhancement shammy, I'd usually wait for a Windfury proc to go off, then mash SS and ES to capitalise on the burst. With a few crits (or another Windfury proc on it :D), it mashed faces good and proper in 40-49 AB. More than anything, it evened out the Windfury lottery a bit, by allowing you to say 'well yes I think I want to hit you now, good sir', rather than sitting on auto-attack.

And...that's all it is really. I used it when I really needed to hurt something ASAP, and for that it's brilliant. With an ES on the end it hurts one's mana pool a bit, but....wtf...

Sextuple Windfury crit RAWR!!1 :p

[Kharajo]

Plus, it's not longer 30% of base mana gone anymore.
I might spec for it once I need to get some serious PvP going at 60.

[Hallian]

I wouldn't give up Nature's Swiftness for it.

[Rond]

Well i'll test it on test servers first .. i'm a big fan of wf .. love it ;) Don't mind if its auto attacking since i got low fps its better atleast it does something and i don't have to press it a milion times only to lag even harder ;)

And for ns ... prolly won't miss it that mutch.

[Spottbroder]

And for ns ... prolly won't miss it that mutch.

as for me i took the same time to cast a normal heal, as it took to trigger the NS and then loading a bunch of graphics (OMG!) which started a 3 sec lag and then press healbutton..

[Rond]

as for me i took the same time to cast a normal heal, as it took to trigger the NS and then loading a bunch of graphics (OMG!) which started a 3 sec lag and then press healbutton..

hehe got same probs ;)

[Kharajo]

Upgrade your computer then! :o

[Hallian]

I'm on Broken Blade, probby one of the worst servers out there. Still I wouldn't give up NS for a lowsy ability as Stormstrike, even though that 'insta heal' takes a few seconds. You can learn to work with that too.

Just my 2 cents though.

[Kharajo]

I just got NS at level 53 (finally :razz: ), and I must say, the possibility of me removing it is zero. I love it!
I even killed a level 60 priest using NS once, in Alterac Valley. :-o

[chow]

/bump


apparantly shamans are getting some love in 1.11

discussssssssss

[Kharajo]

Mages get love in 1.11.

Shamans probably don't :(

[Kerde]

We're getting reworked, thats for sure....if I can find the blue post. Anyhow, we're getting combofixed....that might...be less than optimal

[chow]

blue confirmed shaman "love" in 1.11 (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-shaman&t=491801&s=blizzard&tmp=1#blizzard)

We will prolly get a sloppy job...

edit:

*props to Kerde who pointed me at this post...he cant find it anymore...but here it is :D

[Mandos]

If 1.10 is shammies and mages, is the Great Rogue Nerf going to be in 1.12?

[corwyx]

Personally i think it is that our "review" is done in the same patch Mages gets their stuff.. but that the actually "patch" for us will be in the one after =)

Dont want to be disapointed again, so not holding my breath.

And yah time to resurruct this place. Have had some problems with one of our own two forums, so got back here (and its slow at work for first time in half a year ;) so here i am =)

Currently as a shaman i do ok in endgame for what im supposed to be doing i guess. I do about 4k healing every ~2,6s
The last few raids Ive outhealed the sucky priests.. and the priests ofc outheal the even suckier dr00ds.
So yah.. life is fun =)

Yes.. ofc I miss the days etc where I could have such lovely things as Parry.
But face it... what do I use most hours on in the game anyway?
Endgame. And that will only increase as Naxxamas finally are coming our way (meaning we need to start getting AQ40 under out belt more serious too.
And well.. we dont have neffy on farm either so =)

My only problem these days is that I use a stack of Major Mana pots every BWL/AQ =) Now that aint that big a problem i guess. But not being herbalist on my main, its a bitch farming for more myself. So killing stuff is the way I supply myself.. and buying on AH =) And the occational gift from the guildies ofc. But... on the more normal weeks we have.. we have quite a few raiddays in total. So the Pots go aflying.
So is the sad sake of someone with only 6k6 mana pool.
Got about 90 in mana regen tho. That usually to help a bit.
Having taken care of the healing bit now (nice crit heals of ~3k3), its mana regen that is my next goal to continue improve.
Already found the gear I need. Most of it from BWL ofc =)

[Deadwish]

The last few raids Ive outhealed the sucky priests.. and the priests ofc outheal the even suckier dr00ds.


Wanna do a healing dual? tssss :P

[darill]

The last few raids Ive outhealed the sucky priests.. and the priests ofc outheal the even suckier dr00ds.
So yah.. life is fun =)



Carefull my friend, a lot of priests are present on this forum.

My guess is you prolly checked the heal meter after a Sulfuron, Lucyfron or Baron Geddon fight, so yes, you will outheal any good priests for sure :wink:

[corwyx]

Carefull my friend, a lot of priests are present on this forum.

My guess is you prolly checked the heal meter after a Sulfuron, Lucyfron or Baron Geddon fight, so yes, you will outheal any good priests for sure :wink:

Heh my comment was directed to Deadwish and co, so not actually saying Priests or Druids are sucky. Just pointed out that I should not manage to outheal them in ANY normal fight.

And no... and output from just one fight give no real data. Its just silly to look at them especially in any fight where priests are doing non healing stuff.

No I was talking about synced data after 3 full MCs, and 3 "full" BWLs ("" since we havnt beat Nef.... yet =)

Deadwish and Covenant, both excellent healers (finally D again after him being such a silly shadow dude before the patch ;) do beat me up at our fights against Vael. But not by much. I dont have AoE heals. They do =)

And Shamans aint mana affective, so only reason i can keep it up IS to take the expence by using the pots.
Covenant from our guild can easilly manage to keep healing twice as long as me if neither of us where to use any restoratives (he got better mana regen, and a better manapool to start with too).

My intent is only to prod our own healers to excell even more.
I beat them because ive gone for the gear and talents that make me do the job right. Which sadly can only be said for one of our druids, and only half of our priests. Thus.. sucky =)
I'm an endgame healer. Thats where ive put my focus. And thats also why I in a full MC compared to some priests now (full heals landed subtracting the % of overheals reported) have only half my healing power.
They should do better.
Most of them do good. Our main problem there I think is that we got too many good healers. So many of the "newer" or less dedicated people CAN half sleep through the instances. Because well... the others carry them.
Which is sad.

So hopefully by being a boatful arse, and them reading this.. hopefully get a bit provoced and wanting to prove they can heal also... =)

[Hallian]

Shamans suck, I'm rolling a Rogue. :roll:

[Warkof]

So hopefully by being a boatful arse, and them reading this.. hopefully get a bit provoced and wanting to prove they can heal also... =)

How fast is the standard heal spell you use in instances?

[corwyx]

The one I use the most has a casttime of 2.5 seconds.
It heals ~2200-3500 and ~500-800 AND ~160-260 more or less.
Depending on gear and buffs used etc, i usually have ~30% chance to crit.
When I do I give the targets affected +25% armor for 15 secs.

The reason I heal 3 targets at once is the 8 set bonus of the full earthfury.
I thought it was crap. But as soon as I got it and started using it, i loved it.
As long as you get to heal as you want (I use emergency meter, and spam my heals in the direction of the melee groups, meaning I get to heal 3 every time I send one over) it rawks.

I only got 4 pieces of the Ten Storms atm. So only in a few fights I do not use the full Earthfury (simply because i enjoy the bonus =)
When I get the 5th piece one of these near days, I'll probably (depending what healing role Im having) will use 5 pieces of Ten Storms instead.
But... I like all set bonuses on Earthfury better then the ones on 10S much better. Sure sure... +3% spell crit aint bad by no means.
Which is why I in many will use 5 10S for that, and 3 Earth for the increased totem range. But i wish it could be... more useful overall the set bonus.
As its now 10S set bonuses have limited real benefit.
Ofc... 10Storms with two ZG enchants on aint a shabby set by no means... =)
Nice stam, int and resistances on it.

[corwyx]

So my good fellows, what do you see as the best endgame neckless for us?
Anyone have any good suggestions?

Personally I think Ill be going with Pendant of the Fallen Dragon.
I simply adore the nice mana regen. And the stats cant be called shabby either.

Anyone else having a better suggestions for what i should get instead?

[Kharajo]

I'm so excited to see how they'll rework our Resto tree! :-D

Maybe we'll get something that's not as crap as Mana Tide.

Which is el mucho sucko when compared to BoK. :|

[corwyx]

The Resto tree is the tree that has been given the most attention.
Which is very good. As half of the tree in the latter tires in it is just bogus.

Having used almost all my talentpoints in Resto, I am indeed interested in seeing the changes come also.
I dont have much more in it thats of interest to gain... but when the expansion come, and the extra tire comes... the above needs to be covered first. Thankfully these later patches will have that in mind.

The last new tire will mean 5 out of 10 new points is going into resto as well i guess. Which means 5 points to put somewhere else. Will be nice.
Then I will have some enhancement again (beyond the increased mana pool ofc =)

[Kharajo]

Aye, I currently have 40 talent points in Resto. :smile:

Imp. Mana Spring Totem really needs to be removed. :-|

[corwyx]

Well. They dont need to remove it. But they DO need to make it so you dont need to take it to get to the good one.

And well... the endtalent isnt really good enough even so. Hopefully they will make it a tiny bit better. Would be cool if it gave a like amount of health in addition to mana.
Then it would be well worth the hassle =)

[chow]

Hmmm seeing all the other classes being worked on heavily im really anxious to know what the shamans will get or dont get.

With all that mage and dr00d work how many n00bs at blizz are working on "our" review......

:frown:

[Kharajo]

Where's OUR leaked 1.11 shaman talents? :mad:

[Tench]

You can have them when you stop being so gawddam imba keke!

[McDark]

Where's OUR leaked 1.11 shaman talents? :mad:
Sorry, the shaman review can only be seen by people 20 yards from the developers, and in the same party.

Unlucky!

[Kerde]

I'm not guessing. I'll go too far and get pissed off when the review comes.

[Hallian]

Just boots the friggin Restoration tree so my 31 talents mean something at least. I think Enhancement can expect a good nerf.

[Kerde]

http://eyonix2play.ytmnd.com/

[chow]

@ Kerde:

:D


















GIB PREVIEW NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!11111eleven!111!!!!

[Kerde]

High Warlord, Nodonn (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3873666915601241551)

[paga]

i just saw this topic shamans and kerde's name under it and <insert something to make kerde look ebil>

[Kharajo]

T'was a good movie. I liked his way of fighting. I also noticed his skill at weapon-timing was excellent. :smile:

[Kerde]

http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-shaman-en&t=87927&p=1&tmp=1#post87927

[chow]

Short without details:

Elemental got buffed a bit

Enhancement got nerfed a bit (mainly wf) and buffed a bit

Restoration got buffed a bit



Recap:

We are still Blizz's favourite :surprised

[Kerde]

Gonna love 31 elemental now, Every time it's cooled I get a free 2,3k CL, until I get my trinket, then its more


Anyhow, yeah, damage elemental got buffed, some more overlapping skills in all trees, ele affecting enchanc. and so on.

I still lacked a nice review for the whole shammy as support in end game raiding though, but I wanna playtest the new resto stuff, as well as a enhancement build wiht the improved totems and whatnot before I start rambling.

But shammies are gonna kick some serious buttzor in PvP. Like we needed that ;)

[Spiritedaway]

hoho, i want to see you do a 2.3K CL without a trinket Kerde, that is not possible unless you got like +500 damage gear.

[Kerde]

lol, call it an optimistic figure then :D

And mind you, I got healing gear. And CL jumps. That will make me live up to the braggin :P

[Savage]

Damn :S >:P

[Kerde]

You'll still whip me SAvage, no worries ;)

[Savage]

Time to stop it on the top, I think :P

Btw, I'm happy you'll get some love. You are so ugly, you deserve it :PPPP

[Kerde]

Now that's just mean

[Savage]

This is the holy way :)