Is Alterac really dead?

[Votan]

Well title says it all really :o

I was having a discussion with some guildies with regards to Alterac and we thought that Alterac was "bust" so one of us submitted a GM ticket. Last night the response came that Alterac was working normally... Having spent a total of 3 1/2 days in the queue I really doubt this so I submitted a ticket as well (also asking if it was due to a lack of players).

Being confined to Warsong and the odd Crossroads raid isn't that much fun. I do enjoy Warsong (usually) but I also like areas where one doesn't have to be fully dependant on others and you are in Warsong ;) Variation is key :D

[Deceneu]

I give up AV long time ago. Waiting 4-5 hours isnt funny at all. We could set up some battles, and joining as groups. This way we will avoid both queues and random participants.

[Votan]

I'm quite sure that you're not the only one :shock:

PvP is shit at the moment bar the odd nice Warsong battle... I'd never thought i'd find myself missing DAoC :shock: :shock:

[Maska]

I tried join the AV que saturday....i got bored and went to warsong instead. No one seems to be playing it :roll:

[Votan]

Spent a grand total of about 60 hours in the queue before saying "FK IT" and doing instance runs, some farming (mining) and a few Warsong Battles.

Really :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Alessan]

I spent over an hour in the WSG queue yesterday before I gave up.

So far this week I've managed to do no PvP at all and unless some horde are prepared to be obliging over the next 48hrs, I'll get none done at all.

No HKs, No CPs and no rank for me.

Its been 2 weeks and already PvP prior to the battlegrounds seems like a distant, hazy, golden era. :?

[Votan]

I'll be happy to keep my rank :shock:

Note to self: get some non-pvp reward gear ;)

[Deceneu]

The only usefull PVP gear were the Battle standards. But if the patch notes are accurate, you'll be no more able to use it outside BGs.

[Votan]

Woot even less reason to go PvPing :shock:

[Phase]

Tried to get into Alterac.

Asked a couple of alliance hanging around there what the Q was like, got ignored :(
So bailed from Warsong Q and joined the Alterac one, waited half a day and gave up. Never been back.

Warsong Q's are a pain at times, but at least they do move.

[virux]

Alterac Valley is Out.

I was waiting 4 days in queue before that i left it to go Warsong Gulch

Blizzard Sux again :_(

[esther]

Blizzard sux?

I believe that AV is alive, but there arent enough player to play it... So we sux.

[Elven Bow]

Use Warsong at peak times, usually only takes 30mins to get in, Alterac must be broke or something, it always says time remaining unavailable.

[Maska]

Use Warsong at peak times, usually only takes 30mins to get in, Alterac must be broke or something, it always says time remaining unavailable.

Thats what i saw when trying it, got to the warsong one and it was still giving no ETA..

So we thought fuck it , and joined Warsong (took less than 10mins) :roll:

[TheX]

we all gotta start queueing up there again and start neglecting warsong,
i got some tauren hoofs to give in :P ( brokentusks )

[corwyx]

There is under way some plan to scrump together 20 players from my guild (Dark Sun) for a trip to AV.

Yes the place is dead. And its you alliance who killed it ;)

Each time Horde manage to get a team together, you guys scrape together enough to fill the place, and come Zerg.

Which means Horde can't be arsed. Since we can handle 2:1, its times when we've faced 3:1 even in there. And thats just tiresome.

We can try to set up a match. Maybe another Horde guild wants to come be our allies and match our numbers.

We can only be arsed to play if Alliance can be expected to give us a somewhat fair fight.

If we say can only manage to scrap together 28 peeps (total with outside help), you guys should be honourable enough to leave your numbers at max 33.
Meaning if lots of extra peeps start to fill up, do some selfjustice and reduce your numbers. Spam those coming in, or leave yourself.

Because really. If we get seriously outnumbered again, I doubt we'll bother to do such a thing again until some balancing things are inplemented. Fought in AV 3 times. "Best" odds I've had is 28 vs 40.
And while we're supperior then Alliance... the numric inbalance shows.
As you guys can have a 5 man team running around doing stuff.. while we need to do our best just to defend our base. And its not that funny after a while. Enough of us that I can scrape together have faced the same several times. So not only won't be try coming back to AV.. but we might even go to Warsong instead (not for that myself, but can't speak for others).

So... if you (the alliance) want to agree a time and date, we can arrange a battle. But we're not going to bother to stick around just to see another jolly zerg feast by the alliance =)

Contact me privatly (both alliance guilds who want to agree to a time to face us and any Horde Guilds who want to be our other half), and we'll see what we can agree to.
If this is a success I'm sure its something that can be spread, meaning such things can happen every few days for top half guilds at least.

We could maybe have a league of sorts... switching opponents and seeing how'd get overal most wins. I'm sure I could administer such a thing.

If this things goes well. We'll both have a good time, and its something that will "save" AV for a lot of the players.
If this fails... well... doubt any major new moves will be made from this end anytime soon.

I leave the ball to you. Contact me ingame (Corwyx) or through PM here...
Either is fine I'm sure =)

[Votan]

Problem is is that you cant prevent people from entering Alterac, if some casual players decide to take a look and join the battle there is nothing that can be done about it even if the date & time are "secret".

I wouldnt mind for alterac to be up again as I have some elven heads and human bone to drop off at the appropriate npc's.. it taking sapce in my bank :P

[Axelrod]

Let me know when you plan to do this corwyx, and I'll see if I get a guild mates with me to hunt some alliance scalps.

[Votan]

I should probably be able to get at least a few guildies along if necessary :)

[Tiberian]

I gave up on PvP last week. Why waste time waiting in a queue anyway....

[Zephyr]

Pointless for allies because they have to wait 4 days in a queue, and that's because no horde can be arsed because we simply lose. Who cares, if you actually want to play PvP warsong usually has enough people to make a fair game, at the moment alterac is just a pointless zerg fest.

Please... some of you ally guys just make some horde characters or something, this imbalance is starting to piss me off, and theres nothing us horde can do about it - it's all down to YOU.

*mimes WW1 "your country needs you" poster*

[Poag]

Pointless for allies because they have to wait 4 days in a queue, and that's because no horde can be arsed because we simply lose. Who cares, if you actually want to play PvP warsong usually has enough people to make a fair game, at the moment alterac is just a pointless zerg fest.

Please... some of you ally guys just make some horde characters or something, this imbalance is starting to piss me off, and theres nothing us horde can do about it - it's all down to YOU.

*mimes WW1 "your country needs you" poster*

And give up 20+ days played on a character for......nowt effectivly and have to level up all over again, collect your Set and regain your current rank...sounds delightful :) and then there the fact you'd leave all your current friends behind for...nasty horde who eat babies.

If Blizz offered a char swap i'd be interested, but they don't, they won't, so i'm not

[Zephyr]

I'm not saying delete your alliance character, just make a horde alt and play him once every few days. Once he gets to 60, you'll be able to experience the delights of alterac horde side for yourselves :wink:

Oh yes, and we don't eat babies. At least, some of us don't. I don't, anyway. Nope, not here.

Alright, we do eat babies, point taken.

[Rond]

It isn't dead only prob is that no players wanna join ... horde first after a time alliance since they never get in .. and damn i want mine portable schreder(no idea what its called) unit :roll: ...

[Kirill]

I do fancy a bit of epic pvp, warsong only fills you up so much.
I guess its up to us to save Alterac.

[Vaalny]

Its not dead....it's just resting

(cue python music :lol: )

[Alessan]

Its not dead....it's just resting

This Battleground wouldn't "vroom" if you shoved 20,000 horde up its arse!

[Votan]

You forgot to add the single gnome that all 20,000 of them would be chasing :shock:

Guess that the common consensus (not just on our server) is that a) the Bg's are a failure at best and b) a general revision of PvP is very much in order.

[TheX]

It isn't dead only prob is that no players wanna join ... horde first after a time alliance since they never get in .. and damn i want mine portable schreder(no idea what its called) unit :roll: ...

damn that shredder is so expensive, i got one before AV died, and now its gone from my inventory because of a 4 day duration on it or somthing...i only ever got to try it once :) AND IT OWNED! until a rogue came behind my back and killed me :(

[Armax]

Whats happend with the horde?
Why not join in Alterac?
=(

[Maska]

We try :cry:

We join que :D

15 hours later we want to sleep :cry:

[Tench]

I gave up on PvP last week. Why waste time waiting in a queue anyway....

You dont have to wait at the instance...has no-one told you :wink:

[Hallian]

I gave up on PvP last week. Why waste time waiting in a queue anyway....

Because there's little else to do anymore :(

[Desaan]

I hope AV dies a long slow painful death, its no more than it deserves. I just dont find it interesting for more than 30mins, its more PvE than PvP....

I spend just as much time killing fucking wolves and sodding NPC patrols

Not what I want from a 'PVP' battleground....

[Tiberian]

I gave up on PvP last week. Why waste time waiting in a queue anyway....

You dont have to wait at the instance...has no-one told you :wink:

Haha, of course i don't stand there and wait. I go off and grind or do some engineering.

[Deadwish]

anyone giving AV a try tonight???

[Maska]

i'm 15% away from lvl 60...i'll pass :P

[corwyx]

Me and my guild cant bother for now. Dont want to drag them along until its done as it should.

Don't want to "wear out" the fun of AV if we're just going to see the first half of the game over and over. And with too many apes we will.

We'll just go back and forth in the middle and never really get much done (unless a small unorganised AV starts, which will mean Alliance will win, as it'll be 40 of them and like 20 of Alliance).

AV is fun. But for now I'm leaving it to you guys to carry on my legacy ;)

When enough 5 man groups from various guilds can band together, I can give it another go. If 8 groups that knows eachother cooperate, then things would be good. Then those groups can either work between themselves on their own, or have some central element to help coordinate them.

While my own guild fields 3 such teams (summer activity have hit our guild so we're a bit low I know ;) when we go, I won't bring mine to do it again before we know that more then two other groups is coordinated too.

With only half the raid organised, we will no doubt see things play itself out again. People running around. Some loging off, others login in.
Someone going about "ook ook"ing and eating some banana while they keep bringing that big goone into our crowds and disrupt our well plan attacks ;)

Its not the end of the world. So individuals from us maybe at some point puts himself in the que just to see if one can run around on their own.
But for now we'll do one or two endgame instance a night instead =)

I really hope it will work for you guys. Just do me a favour and don't hang around waiting for it to begin... as you might be waiting a gooood while...
and if it at the end starts... you might get disapointed by being Zerged =)

[Maybe I sound bitter? about it. But I'm not really. Just want to prod some other guilds to come with an offer of cooperation. So that a REAL effort
can be made by the Horde. We should WIN the thing ffs. Not let the alliance drag us into a general slug fest back and forth that never ends =]

[Axelrod]

I hope AV dies a long slow painful death, its no more than it deserves. I just dont find it interesting for more than 30mins, its more PvE than PvP....

I spend just as much time killing fucking wolves and sodding NPC patrols

Not what I want from a 'PVP' battleground....

Totally agree.
They are so far off with this implementation of battlegrounds as a pvp arena it makes me miss the days in crossroads and tarren mill.

[Rond]

Bah plain sux how we evzer going to get extaled reputation .. all those items go to waste on this server but nothing you can do about it ...

[Kharajo]

You can gain epic items from Warsong as well, but it takes longer time. In my opinion they should have all the good epic items that people want from AV and put them as rewards for Warsong. It may take much longer to get 'em but then they're more worth it.

Besides which, AV isn't fun. People only wanna play for the items.

[Swanvesta]

Thats the problem with AV...you dont have to join in with people.....

I've been in there when there were 36 horde vs 35-40 Alliance and there were maybe 25 vs 25 at snowfall GY....where was everyone else????

They werent in the main raid i can tell you for a fact. Most just hung around, looting, picking odd free targets, milling about shooting goats/wolves.

Real disappointment. And when the /1 message goes out for people to join the raid group??? 'No point, dont want to , just here for kills' etc.etc.etc.

AV is severely broken, and although a lot of aliance players would really like to shoot lots of hordies , theres really no point us going there for reasons already given. The farmers move in and take up our spaces, we become understrangth to the point we may as well just come in with a bagful of armour scraps and organise a queue for handouts.

[/quote]And give up 20+ days played on a character for......nowt effectivly and have to level up all over again, collect your Set and regain your current rank...sounds delightful :) and then there the fact you'd leave all your current friends behind for...nasty horde who eat babies.

If Blizz offered a char swap i'd be interested, but they don't, they won't, so i'm not[/quote]

I commited the ultimate sin of rolling a Paladin...mainly for the fact that I wanted to see all unique aspects of the game and wanted to experience the spam that a lot of people seem to talk about from the other side of the sea. Level 45's duelling level 10's in Goldshire ftw eh?

Would it be a hardship to try rolling another char and giving it a try?? Theres ways to get cash to your alt if thats what your scared of...so you'll still have Uber gear and be a cut above. I have a few chars milling aroung the level 20-30 level as well as a 60 and an alliance char.....I treat all as an equal experience.

There shouldent be any worries about not levelling fast or not having a big guild for financial backing etc. as most horde ive come across are pretty reasonable people and as long as you dont just say PHR33 GOLD PL0Z!! you'll get a lot of help.

Either that or every horde should just give up and roll a Paladin and we can all stand in IF asking for MC groups in /5

[Dionera]

Got not much to say except that I vote for the good old tarren mill PvP.... never would have thought I'd say that but:

a. you never had to wait long (kill a few npc's in a rapid time and voila... the first hordies flew in and came to look what was happening

b. it had no timerlimit or win limit(wich I think I hate most of the current BG. long wait and if you are lucky you are in for about 15 minz). Why not make a specific map section and build it like two camps close together or two dumb towers or something. Tanaris or that racetrack or arathi highlands has 'nuf empty space there). yes one side or the other will get zerged from time to time but people will leave as soon as they see one side wins/looses anyway and thus balance is restored. We all know that from tarren mill vs southshore!

c. you can just take the bird and hop into the action when you wanted.

Another thought. Why not make a total different awarding system. Why give away big fat epic loot?! why not make something like the pvp arena setup (only then some sort of valley where mineral patches spawn every half hour or sooner (the whole valley is a contested area). I mean the arena works quite well (tho after level 48 all rewards are kinda crap) but the ONLY reason I dont go there so often is becoz its only once per 3 (!!) hours. There is about 10 minutes before and after some fun there. I understand you cannot give loot away every 30 minutes ofcoz. But why not make it interesting and make a mineral patch, a herb and/or a dead animal spawn wich gives some resources. Or a small amount of money (say from 50s till 5g) radomize the quality (not shown from the outside) and make it spawn every 15 minutes. People love to gamble. We all know that fact from other games. It would surely keep me hanging around such an arena :). And it wouldnt effect the economy that much either I think (especially when you randomize the loot the resources give from light leather and tin ore to silversage and thorium or rugged leather, all in a random stack from 1 to 10 ofcoz). Blizzard could even adjust the chances of what drops (from common 3 midlevel herbs till 5g in the chest and 10 thorium ore). ok I quit know lol... no I'm not a games designer but I have played many games and know what keeps peoples attention in games. And gambling is damn high on the list hence the grinders amongst us.

just my thoughts...

[Tiberian]

After todays patch it should be a lot easier to jump in the queue for AV. Why no one trys to play AV anymore i don know because the rewards are far greater than WSG., Everynight i see about 3 wsg games = 30 horde players, that could be in AV.

Though i think for some classes, WSG is much better, cough, so picking that over AV isn't a hard choice for them.

Anyways, once a week would be good. Why we can't get a day a week were both horde and alliance players try to gather a few people for an AV battle i don't know..

[sildiara]

After todays patch it should be a lot easier to jump in the queue for AV. Why no one trys to play AV anymore i don know because the rewards are far greater than WSG., Everynight i see about 3 wsg games = 30 horde players, that could be in AV..

Depends.. I spent some hours in AV once, got 600+ HKs, but only like 4k points.
Then I went to WG twice, got 70 HKs, 6k points.

So the gulch helps you attain honor ranks far quicker than AV (ie greater reward).

Not to mention that in WG, there's less risk of someone in your own team screwing the whole team (macro these yells: "DONT PULL KORRAK" and "DONT GO NEAR THAT BIG TREE THINGY, IT NEEDS KILLS TO START ATTACKING").

AV is 'meh', WG is pretty fun.

[Gigamo]

After todays patch it should be a lot easier to jump in the queue for AV. Why no one trys to play AV anymore i don know because the rewards are far greater than WSG., Everynight i see about 3 wsg games = 30 horde players, that could be in AV..

Depends.. I spent some hours in AV once, got 600+ HKs, but only like 4k points.
Then I went to WG twice, got 70 HKs, 6k points.

So the gulch helps you attain honor ranks far quicker than AV (ie greater reward).

Not to mention that in WG, there's less risk of someone in your own team screwing the whole team (macro these yells: "DONT PULL KORRAK" and "DONT GO NEAR THAT BIG TREE THINGY, IT NEEDS KILLS TO START ATTACKING").

AV is 'meh', WG is pretty fun.

Don't forget the buyable items when you reach Exalted with AV, though.

[Meistari]

Everynight i see about 3 wsg games = 30 horde players, that could be in AV.

That would be prime time. Most often only 1 or 2 teams. And the Alliance can get 40 players and fill up the gaps if someone leaves while the Horde has problem getting even 30 players at high peaks in Alterac. We need weeks with spamming and entire guilds joining to even start an Alterac event. I bet one /1 in the alliance side could fill up 3 Alteracs. Ok alittle bitter here. Bleh.

To earn good points from the Alterac system you need to kill the commanders and win the game by using the eventtriggered quests. Can you see that happen at all as it is now?

It totally amazes me that the Alliance are still ignorant of the population problem.

[Tiberian]

For like 2 weeks after relase there was no problem filling up horde spaces in prime time. WSG is better because you win = getting the honor bonus. Theres also less people to share honor with.

[Meistari]

For like 2 weeks after relase there was no problem filling up horde spaces in prime time. WSG is better because you win = getting the honor bonus. Theres also less people to share honor with.

Yes, so why should we go play Alterac again?

[Tiberian]

For like 2 weeks after relase there was no problem filling up horde spaces in prime time. WSG is better because you win = getting the honor bonus. Theres also less people to share honor with.

Yes, so why should we go play Alterac again?

ummm...Because i want the rewards? hehe..Well getting the rep is easy and the reward is great. :D

[corwyx]

Because of the que working as it does its so damn near impossible to get those people you want into AV. Its neighon impossible.

I've hosted a few AV nights, and well it worked. But with too many "randoms" coming in, the game can soon be ruined for the rest.
Because these people only wants to their own little shindig without bothering to help the rest. So in fact the rest must do all the work, while the random leechers just walk around and reap what the rest manage.

Don't worry. As more people start coming back from vacations again, I will once more host a few AV nights.
But not before I have some small measure of confidence that we can do so without people who will go out of their way to wreck things because they refuse to think and actually listen to others.

For us all I hope we can get some games off in AV without me having to give a damn shit about how it goes, or for me to actually have to organise it first. Then I could just relax =)

It nothing will happen, then just wait, and we'll be back on schedule with regular AV nights again soon enough.