Pally damage test with full judgement

[Xtravaganza]

Nice vid (http://www.zshare.net/download/damagetest-wmv.html) showing what dmg paladins are capable of with the right gear and right spec :)

[Val]

with that equipment i thought the damage would be more....

[Hallian]

with that equipment i thought the damage would be more....
What he said. Nice damage.. but I can do that on blue armor and some luck.

Let the drama begin! :D

[Xtravaganza]

This is not DD gear, and paladins are *not* DDs. Taking that into consideration this is not bad at all :)

[Tiberian]

What he said. Nice damage.. but I can do that on blue armor and some luck.

Let the drama begin! :D


That just shows we need more buffs. Bring on more buffs over the next 10 patches like warlocks had.


And i agree with xtra. We arent damage dealers. Thats the same build i have btw. Nuadia's build missing repentence sucks.

[McDark]

Judgement's purely for PvE, but I believe it's getting a buff to it's +Str in 1.9. One thing that's really needed is some +spellpower on the PvP set, IMO.

The control he had over his damage looks quite nice however, even if he is burning his HoJ/Rep cooldowns doing it.

[nuadia]

my build has repentance now tib, so just shhhh! :P

people that want burst damage should se this
http://www.advancegb.com/upload/bewmholyshot.wmv
(his gear http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?111351 )

not many paladins that gonna get that gear(i hope i am)

mcdark: judgement is gonna be updated with 92str and +200 spelldamage/healing. which has turn it from pure PvE set to, the best PvP and PvE set in one.

and the PvP set is still useable. people just needs to spec ret tree. becaus ret is all about high damage with low mana(benediction, rank1 SoC, the aura, vengance and so on). and people whine to much, SoC got alittle nerf for PvP players i aggre on that. but we are talking 10% and not much more. becaus now it is 7PPM from the old 5PPM. and now if you get mana to judge it to(i know tib got JoC to crit for 800damage on test witl LB), the wtf it is a damage increase.
(just want to say this before any whiner starts whinning)

val and hallian: try dueling a paladin. one like me i am PvP´ing in full LB with drake talon cleaver. i am not even close to that damage. that he can judge SoC really is a nice control dps boost. and that guy use more then 1 buttong every 30 sec(1,9 is more fun IMO)

[Val]

id dual you if i ever got ze shiny MC BWL epix but stupidly enough i dont have any of those epics yet still hit harder

[nuadia]

not gonna believe i am saying this now.

if i had rogue, warrior,mage or other class dps, i have heals, i run around with plate(and aura for casters). hmmm thats is called overpoweret(or shaman (joke :P))

paladins wanted control and alittle more dps. we got that

almost forgot, holy damage is the mostis the best magic damage in the game for PvP, you can´t get gear with resist, only 1 weak potion can´t absorb some damage. and most pala holy damage us melee crit and get 2x damage bonus.


btw val who are you on DB? :P (are you called val there to or something else?)

[Val]

Valomar
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[Hallian]

val and hallian: try dueling a paladin. one like me i am PvP´ing in full LB with drake talon cleaver. i am not even close to that damage. that he can judge SoC really is a nice control dps boost. and that guy use more then 1 buttong every 30 sec(1,9 is more fun IMO)
What do you mean? Do you think I've never fought a Paladin before?

I have a 60 Shaman on Dragonblight, 53 on Burning Blade PvP.. I fought more Paladins then you ate pizza lady. :P

[stroodle]

LOL

sorry, but dmg test? my arse

full Tier 2 paladin beating on a lvl 47 mob.... yeah right, my lifelike toad does that dps aswell, show some dps of them in pvp or raids, this was just a waste of my bandwith

showing off beating lvl 47 mobs with all them epics, even using his zandalar hero charm, my ravage crits more with my druid on tyrs hands elites without any buffs...

lawl

edit: reply to nuadia's link to burst pally dps ofc, gg forgetting to quote :p

[Hallian]

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Harsh but honest. Would have posted thesame kinda message if I wasn't working on converting my harsh and grumpy orc image on this forum to something slightly more positive..

Great post anyway. :D

[stroodle]

harsh, perhaps, but honest i hope, i see no point in showing off with tier 2 loot and more stuff which takes an incredible amount of time to achieve, and then unlease the friggin fury on a lvl 47 grey mob... like yeah, awesome

i love my pallies and i can fully understand why they want some dps gear to pvp or grind with, but i <3 the ones whom understand they are a support class, not some wtfpwning dps class, same reason why i gave up on stroo, since it isnt a dps class, its a support one, and since i cant support on raids anymore, end of story for stroo.

but yep, gooldberg deals one hell of an amount on dps, i give him that :)

[Janus]

*sigh*

As others have said, I would hope that you could see that sort of damage with full epics on green and grey-con mobs.

My question is whether this was filmed before or after the +damage coeff nerfs and after JoC began to crit like a spell rather than a physical attack.

But really, this means nothing to me. I'll likely never see a single epic, and so the damage I do will always be mediocre. The difference is now that I will never even attempt to do damage, and rather will heal/cleanse only in BG's and perhaps be slightly more than useless. The mana pool required to do any sort of sustained DPS is huge now.

I'm just glad I leveled Janus to 60 long ago. Doing it again now (or rather after 1.9 launches) would be awful.

[Kharajo]

if i had rogue, warrior,mage or other class dps, i have heals, i run around with plate(and aura for casters). hmmm thats is called overpoweret(or shaman (joke :P))



Eh... What? I really didn't catch any point there.

[Tiberian]

id dual you if i ever got ze shiny MC BWL epix but stupidly enough i dont have any of those epics yet still hit harder


Hit harder yes, and thus have less survivability. Then again, what class are you? You're a rogue, you are meant to be damage dealing. Not many classes have the same level survivability as a paladin does, apart from maybe shaman, I guess, (I’ve seen them taking such huge beatings and still managing to get away…)

Let’s not go off topic. This is about the paladin. This damage is no way as good as other classes, however in pvp that damage is enough to own. A poor clothy in epic gear still won’t be able to handle this sort of damage, a poor rogue, doesn't matter, even with shit gear a paladin can be doing some "ok" damage. Not amazing, but we have some damage on command finally. Remember holy only has about 5 base resist. Unlike mages who use fire, and most of us have fire res on our gear, even if it isn’t much. Frost is effected more by frost res gear. Which is why they are whining on the forum.

Please don’t compare us with other classes, especially damage dealing classes that don’t give anything other than damage to a raid. Paladins unfortunately have been forced into a support role every since they changed us in late beta, and have continued to nerf us over every patch (apart from where we got HoW)

If paladins could deal decent damage without getting epic armor, no one would roll the warrior, because lets face a warrior who can heal would be picked more (hey I know noobs who still pick paladin because they think they are getting that). But anyway, this is good damage. Even a pally with mc gear will be doing a lot more damage now (and that is the healing set, Judgment isn’t).

As nuadia said, Judgment is the best set for PvP and PvE. Sorry for the long post :p You probably won't read it anyway.

[nuadia]

hallian: don´t think you can fight that many paladins!. and i am not a lady :@!!

stoordle holy damage isn´t getting any advantage when hitting lower lvl mob(ok higher chance to crit. that only helps him so he can show when it crits) or higher lvl mobs. it would do the same damage in PvP. and stroodle paladin still has the lowest dps of all class.

only thing i want to show was, palas can still do burst damage. since JoCom damage is the added dps palas got. we didn´t have this attack before and now we got it and can do rather ok damage with it (remeber it is a 8 sec CD and cost around 250 mana)
I know how to play my class, i heal, i deal damge i stun to save a priest or cast BoP on him. and so on. if you can master all those things palas is the best class in the game IMO. we just have a low damage out put, but still even 1k damage is better the just stand around a wait to people needs a heal.

now to janus: get your facts straight. JoC(and SoC for that matter). got the coeff upped compared to 1,8(it is now like instant, around 48%). and it still crits like melee i tried on test server 3 hours before i got closed
but i can aggre on for people that can´t get epics paladin gear. it is kinda bad. still there is some ok gear out there.(hey i even use blue stuff in PvP, becaus it is good)

kha: my point was, if you give a class heals that can´t be slow by hits(only stop by kick, counterspell and so on), high dps, plate, resist aura, and same time stay alive ok time. that would be kinda overpoweret


hope i got it right and spelled right. damn tired...

[Xtravaganza]

LOL

sorry, but dmg test? my arse

full Tier 2 paladin beating on a lvl 47 mob.... yeah right, my lifelike toad does that dps aswell, show some dps of them in pvp or raids, this was just a waste of my bandwith

showing off beating lvl 47 mobs with all them epics, even using his zandalar hero charm, my ravage crits more with my druid on tyrs hands elites without any buffs...

lawl

edit: reply to nuadia's link to burst pally dps ofc, gg forgetting to quote :p

I dont get it, you actually was expecting the paladin to do insane dmg like any DD class will do? Learn the classes :)

[Hallian]

I dont get it, you actually was expecting the paladin to do insane dmg like any DD class will do? Learn the classes :)
Says the old WSG Paladin, and now "damage dealing" Shadow Priest who doesn't even want to respec for Molten Core.

I rest my case.

[Janus]

now to janus: get your facts straight. JoC(and SoC for that matter). got the coeff upped compared to 1,8(it is now like instant, around 48%). and it still crits like melee i tried on test server 3 hours before i got closed
but i can aggre on for people that can´t get epics paladin gear. it is kinda bad. still there is some ok gear out there.(hey i even use blue stuff in PvP, becaus it is good)

I can only go from what I have heard on teh US boards because unfortunately my account was refused when trying to connect to the test server. Many are stating that certain Holy seals and judgements are only recieving 10% of the +damage on gear in test patch 0.9.4 onwards (recieved 43% previous to this), and is critting for 150% rather than 200%. It is however still taking the melee crit chance for probabilities. In addition, there is no point comparing JoC in 1.8 and 1.9 as they use very different mechanics, JoC in 1.9 being more like JoR than anything else.

However is this is the wrong figure then I apologise, I may have misread given that the coeff's for Judgements and passive abilities have changed a lot over the test realm lifespan. We now know for sure though that Holy Shield and Blessing of Sanctury now recieve no benefit from +damage (confirmed by Blizz) and others such as SoR recieve only 10% (again correctly). In other words, no way i'll spec Protection.

[nuadia]

never trust the US people alo couldn´t even try the newest one (since 1,8,4 or what it was) fucked it up so they couldn´t instal then one with repen in ret.

i can tell you all seals i tried and that do damage did use melee crit. i tried +spelldamage which was rather hard(arcane elixer and enchanter oil was the only real thing to try it with), but yeah SoR is 10%(like you said, blue confirmed to), and SoC/JoC looked to be the around the 45%. didn´t try to compare 1,8 with 1.9 JoC. since 1,8 is a suck debuff and 1,9 is a instant attack.


btw it was holy shock that was nerf. the first 2 1,9 patch it used melee crit to. damn i loved when i did a 1,1k crit with it.

[Luminis]

lets face it, pallys cant do dmg :)

[Janus]

lets face it, pallys cant do dmg :)

Never had a 4-crit + SoC Reckoning Bomb hit you before? ;)

I assure you Paladins can do damage. What they cannot do is damage-on-demand, which is (at least one reason) why paladins can be extremely frustrating to play.

[Val]

and yet i get called a rogue...warrior for correction

[McDark]

Never had a 4-crit + SoC Reckoning Bomb hit you before? ;)

I assure you Paladins can do damage. What they cannot do is damage-on-demand, which is (at least one reason) why paladins can be extremely frustrating to play.
That's only ever PvP. A PvE pally is stuck with auto-attack - if they're getting Reck charges, somethings wrong (given they aren't tanking). A pally who has time to DPS in MC+ is basically a waste of a raid slot - 1.9 or not, you're still healing/decursing/buffing. Fair enough, but what interests me is the decision to buff Judgement to make it a decent PvP set. All the other PvE sets for non-damage-dealing classes (including Warriors) are useful only in PvE. They even changed both Might and Wrath early on from viable PvP sets to purely PvE, arguing that your reward for PvEing was better PvE gear, and the same for PvP.

Now the pally reward for gruelling hours of PvE is a set with buffed attributes unused in PvE? Curious choice, hence my comment about not buffing the PvP set with +spellpower instead of vice versa.

[nuadia]

mcdark: you are kinda wrong. from 1,9 we NEED to be upfront deling damage ot we can´t keep lightwisdom on. i said this before, it isn´t hard to hit a mob and heal the same time....

[Val]

you missed the point...your support class is getting the option to "try" do damage in your PvE set while other classes such as warrior set still only work for PvE AKA tanking

[McDark]

you missed the point...your support class is getting the option to "try" do damage in your PvE set while other classes such as warrior set still only work for PvE AKA tanking
Aye, this was my main point. Admittedly I forgot about the chance to the Judgement spell, so having a pally auto-attack away makes sense. However, he doesn't need another ~180 AP on his PvE set to do this, when DPS warriors in PvE have to look to PvP sets or odds-and-ends from BWL/Rag.

Anyway, this is off-topic. I hope pallies enjoy their shiny new controllable DPS, and I'm especially chuffed it comes from spell damage and not buffed melee abilities. Dem's warrior weapons!

[Xtravaganza]

Says the old WSG Paladin, and now "damage dealing" Shadow Priest who doesn't even want to respec for Molten Core.

I rest my case.

Ehm, sorry have u got something stuck up your a**? I have NEVER said or thought I was dealing damage as paladin. Why the hell wud I if so have a holy, so called healer, build? Nub hall, stop commenting about stuff u dont know shit about. And WSG? Highest rank is r2 or r3 ... lmfao, please do your research, boy.

And tell me, hows your shadow priest doing? Oh wait, YOU HAVENT GOT ONE! But ofc youre an expert of that area still, right? Level one to 60, go shadow and pvp and pve with it. Then make a comment about it. Thanks

/big hug

[Hallian]

I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. :(

*snigger*

[Maska]

Xtra and Hal, can you keep your disagreements to PM's or something ;)

Try to get back on topic, ty :D