Resistance is futile

[Ashlect]

I've been happy with my build (btw Im druid) for ages ages...eons in fact....but there is a lure of the feral build that has become way to strong to resist anymore.....here's why...

Feral druid I know: lol 1800 crit blah blah...
Another that I know: lol 2000 crit
And another: omg 2300 ravage! Feral rocks!

I have probably heard this sort of thing about 18 billion times now from druids that have gone feral..resistance is futile.

[stroodle]

2300 = only possible with ab buff

if ravage crits i score 1700-1900 on cloth 1500-1700 on leather and 1100-1200 on plate

claw crits for 450-550 on cloth, shred for 1000-1150

thats the range i currently have, you'll miss NS if you aint going 30/21, but other then that...


/purr :p

[Silv]

How high is the crit % for such abilities? As a rogue we usually don't do the 3000 shadowbolts or 4000 executes, but with a 50-60% chance to dish out 1000+ every 2 seconds...It means alot compared to "once in a week" stuff :p

[stroodle]

How high is the crit % for such abilities? As a rogue we usually don't do the 3000 shadowbolts or 4000 executes, but with a 50-60% chance to dish out 1000+ every 2 seconds...It means alot compared to "once in a week" stuff :p

yes my point, i lack a band of jin/quickstrike ring whatever you want and im currently @ 1340 AP and 26.75% to crit

its a nice crit rate, but nothing in our talent trees gives us such insane crit bonus on our "ambush or backstack"

true, raw feral dps > rogue dps, but with so much more crit, surviveablility, and stuns, rogue still has the advantage.. only thing that has changed is a druid as hybrid... since its imho the best hybrid class outthere now

tanked complete Ubrs last week, and ended up 4/5th on the dps list and iirc 5th on the healing list.. nothing beats a 1200 maul on a lvl 62 elite dragonkin and stunning, shifting out to heal yourself for 3k combat ress your priest, and tank your mob further :p

was pretty cool :p

[Kerde]

hmm, mail then? huhuh? Not so tough now, eh?

[stroodle]

hmm, mail then? huhuh? Not so tough now, eh?


hunters i go for, shammies i leave alone :p

simple, if ravage crits, target dead, if it doesnt crit? and it can heal himself? takes too much time, horde zerg inc, and your dead anyhow

and no, my twisting nether card doesnt proc when i want it to proc :p

edit: 1300 :P shammies with a shield = same as plate crits iirc


but nnot many times i take on solo's vs mail and plate, i love the rogue way, put my claws in some mage priest or warlock who is nuking allience from away :p

[Deadwish]

Yeah feral is indeed very cool nowadays.

Yesterday we used a melee group in MC consisting 1 feral druid (with leader of the pack), 1 shaman (totems), 1 hunter, 1 dps warrior (Brokentusk with insane crit chance). Was quite fun to see the effects of such a group :)

[Ashlect]

Stroodle has been the biggest influence in my futile attempts to resist. The figures quoted may not be massive compared to what some other classes can do but at the same time they are massive in comparison to what a druid used to be able to do.

I will probably keep 21 in restoration and not the kind of dmg that some other feral druids can do but shifting to feral will let me kill things so much faster and give a huge amount of survivability.

I like the idea as well of Pounce and a quick claw (stunned for 2 seconds) shift out and into bear...improved Bash (4 second stun)...hit a couple of times....then Feral charge (4 seconds out of action)...in total that lot takes someone out of action for a full 10 seconds...shift and hit a moonfire and insect swarm and NS instant regrowth and a rejuv then back to cat dish the dmg yet be healed while Im doing it....or back to bear and frenzied regen to have a 3rd HoT happening...absorb anything that is dished out at me while my mana regens and if things start getting tough shift and heal again.

Keeping 21 in restoration makes me a decent healer but Heart of the Wild makes me even better....thanks for the extra 1.5k mana when I put my healer gear on....

I could go on....but its these kinds of thoughts that have made resistance futile.

[stroodle]

@deadwish yes, cant wait to see it, and all these feral drops in bwl *drool*

pitty they need my warrior there to tank -.-

@ ash, you'll gonna love it ;) but without Omen of clarity, natural shapeshifter and 10% xtra dmg talent from balance and without lotp from feral, your dps output will be ALOT lower then a 14/31/5

you will however have more survivablity when you get suprised due the fact you have NS

choices got to be made, i just went for the biggest cat dps build around :p

pouce > shred crit > omen of clarity proc > shred crit happens about 4 times a day in AB.. but it remebers me everytime why i choose for Ooc :p

[McDark]

l of Pounce and a quick claw (stunned for 2 seconds) shift out and into bear...improved Bash (4 second stun)
/no Ashlect.
Diminishing returns makes that Bash a 2 second stun.

Back to the thread!
*pedantry off*

[stroodle]

/no Ashlect.
Diminishing returns makes that Bash a 2 second stun.

Back to the thread!
*pedantry off*


weird, it works for me

[Ashlect]

I agree my dps will be lower....yet at the same time a lot higher than current.

I already get a lot of ap bonus from my PvP gear and the faction rewards from BG's will help as well, Im not to far from Exalted with AB now and there are some very yummy things to choose from.

Im going to go feral mainly for PvE but it seems to rock in PvP as well. I want to keep 21 restoration to be a good healer in instances but be even better with HoW.

I think I will pass up maximum dps and go for massive survivability....the really cool thing is my dps will be very nicely increased anyway.

The thing that is most influencial here though is that you quote those numbers yet most of your gear is blue!

The tough part now is to spend hours deciding on where to put my points, respeccing is getting expensive and I dont want to make any mistakes.

Ash

[stroodle]

The thing that is most influencial here though is that you quote those numbers yet most of your gear is blue!
Ash


yep since blizz did SUCH an awesome itemazation feral druids got epics all over the place....

/no

;-;

rank 13 gear gives the same dps output as i currently have, but you will "only" have 990 more hitpoints

bwl i cant get into since i need to tank there, im just hoping i can get on outdoor dragons and those buggers drop me a that bloody feral mace...

[Ashlect]

Oh I dont intend to get rank 13 gear, only intend to maintain rank 11, Im talking about the faction rewards you get from being exalted which are very suited to feral.

[stroodle]

Oh I dont intend to get rank 13 gear, only intend to maintain rank 11, Im talking about the faction rewards you get from being exalted which are very suited to feral.


yeps, givf Tuf plix


;-;

[Kerde]

Come on strood, real men dont shapeshift!

[stroodle]

Come on strood, real men dont shapeshift!


*cancels download on msn*


/wtfpwnd

[Kerde]

Fine, no more going easy on you in duels! nubje :P

[stroodle]

Fine, no more going easy on you in duels! nubje :P


fine, i'll just stay stealthed then you Kipje

[Silv]

Taut dragonhide from BWL is any good? Think it was implemented by Blizz for feral druids, at least judging from the stats of the gloves.

[stroodle]

Taut dragonhide from BWL is any good? Think it was implemented by Blizz for feral druids, at least judging from the stats of the gloves.


very good.... im praying for some open slots afte 2/3 months of bwl :p

[Aethorn]

Been 0/30/21 since patch and haven't changed yet. I haven't taken the talents Savage Fury or Natural weapons (big Feral DPS boost), but I need to stay flexible so I can help healing for my guild in MC.

Though I am extremly tempted to try a full DPS feral build. Tried it on test server, but the chars had WH set as gear (bleh). Would love to try it out with my own gear =)

[Ashlect]

What kind of damage are you doing with that build Aethorn.

[Aethorn]

Build is this (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/druids2/talents.html?00000000000000005051021303220150055510100310000). Not ideal, might rework it soon.

Only DPS boost in cat in that build is HotW (+20%str) and Blood Frenzy (extra combo point on crit).

Of course it depends heavily on the gear I am wearing. In AB PvP gear (~4.1k hp / 5.5k mana self buffed) I have only about 11% crit and 500-600 AP. That gives me ravage crits on cloth for 1.3-1.4k.

Full Feral gear I am at about 19% crit, 970 AP self buffed. But that gimps my mana pool to something like 2800. Tried it once or twice in AB, but I feel I can bring more to the team if I can also heal (healing not gonna happen a lot with 2.8k mana).

[Ashlect]

Thanks Aethorn, thats why I want to keep 21 restoration as well as I feel it benifits the team better. It's also why I stayed at balance so I can range attack with spells.

My main reason for wanting to change is PvE....I just want to kill things faster. Thanks for the reply.

[Aethorn]

Np Ash =)

When grinding, I put on feral gear anyways. Things definitly go down faster.

Btw, minor rant and slightly offtopic :

I absolutely love the druid PvP set boni (go go +15% speed increase so I can run away faster =P ), but WHY oh WHY those stats on it? They're all over the place. I don't need Spirit on my PvP gear! Give me the stats of cloth PVP, pure STA/INT please.

My own blue gear is better for PvP stat wise =(